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Samuel won't be expensive in the first year of his contract, that just how much contract are written. If anything trading CMC and eating the dead money this year will free up future money when guys like Moton and/or Samuel get in their bigger years of their contracts, also if we were to trade for a really expensive QB.

They could make it work if it was needed to make a deal happen. Its about$17m if traded according to overthecap.com. Christian McCaffrey Contract Details, Salary Cap Charges, Bonus Money, and Contract History | Over The Cap Watson would only be around $10m. 10+17=doable Taking the RB worth argument out of it, some team might want a good player, who has already had their signing bonus paid, in return. In their mind it might offset some of the dead money on their books for their player they are trading. For them CMC would only average about $10.5m a year with almost zero guaranteed money. First two years would actually be closer to $8m a year. Great player on rookie deal > Great player on second deal where signing bonus is already paid > Great player who is expecting new deal

You can’t draw a conclusion from that list without also listing the QBs drafted after the 1st. As bad as those odds look the later rounds are even worse, not to mention you left out 2017 and later. Fact is good QBs are hard to find but they are exponentially easier to find in the first round.

It's not what you would be willing to give, its what they are willing to take. If I'm the Jets I'm asking for Burns.

You could make an argument for the eagle drafting or not drafting a QB. Hurts was a 2nd rounder so its not like they have a lot invested in him. He didn't play great overall, but he is a rookie so that is understandable. Flip side is if they do draft a QB in the first they are basically counting on either wasting last years 2nd or this years 1st. Maybe they saw enough to give Hurts another year, add some talent around him. Maybe a WR early. At this point I don't think anyone can say with certainty what they will d. Taking a QB, taking a non-QB, or trading down are all possilities.

You would have to most likely trade for Dak also. They can tag him.

Very possible we don’t like QB4 even if he falls to 8. Also very possible we aren’t willing to give up the farm to move up for QB3. Very possible that the team that can draft QB2 isn’t willing to trade out. Fact is the only thing we really control is that Teddy is under contract next year. Drafting or signing Watson, Wilson, Fields, or Lance are all dependent on other teams. It is possible though that we become more interested in some of the draft QBs the closer we get to the draft. If we strike out on vets or can’t trade up we might start talking ourselves into other options.

He is going 1st so you better whole-ass it. Unfortunately even then you can’t guarantee it in the NFL. Look at Miami two years ago and the Jets last year, tanking is hard, too much parity. Just another reason teams are usually willing to trade up for a QB.

Depending on what the cap is Jets could end up with close to $80m in cap space. That can go a long ways to filling a roster especially in an offseason that should be a buyers market. Also I just noticed those extra 1st are this year and next. Two 1st in the current year would be pretty strong. I do agree though that Miami can also offer a really good package of picks but if the Jets like QB2 a lot more that QB3 than the Jets have a huge advantage. Either way, both teams, if they decide to be aggressive could push the price way up for us. I could see us having to offer multiple players along with some picks.

I’m not saying what we should or shouldn’t do, just what I think it will take. Let me ask you this, take off your Panthers hat and pretend you are the Jets. What would you give up for Watson? Remember they have 5 1st round picks over the next 3 years and a tremendous amount of cap space to fill out a roster. Would you give up three 1st and two 2nds if you were them? I would

I get it. You have to have your number you won’t go past. I’m just saying I don’t think they would take your number. I personally don’t think I would offer much more myself.

Everyone is forgetting that other teams can make offers also. It isn’t as simple as making a good offer, you have to make a better offer than the other teams. Two 1st and Burns from us or Three 1st from the Jets? They probably take the Jets offer so the can grab QB2. They would probably take just 2 first from the Jets over our offer. Don’t underestimate the allure of being a ole to draft a potential franchise QB.

Those choices don’t happen in a vacuum though. Mike Davis might not be as good but he saves you around $10m that can be spent elsewhere. $15m RB and $2m LT or $2m RB and $15m LT? It is a lot easier to find a late round RB with good production than a OT or DE. Same in free agency.

Not saying you are right or wrong but they would probably turn your best offer down. The #2 overall from the Jets this year would probably be more appealing by itself. If we called the Jets ourself and offered that for their pick they probably wouldn’t take it.

I think Burns is one of best assets of any team out there that might be interested in Watson. People need to remember that all 1st aren’t created equal. Jets 1st is worth a lot more than our 1st, but our first is worth more than the first of someone like the WFT. Burns might get two mid round first on the open market but he wouldn’t get you the #2 overall pick. Jets and Dolphins have better picks to offer, we probably have better young players. Honestly I can’t see a team like the 49ers or WFT out bidding us.

Pick #3 might be the early favorite. I’m not positive the Texans will deal Watson and I’m even if they do I not sure if we can outbid the Jets, if the Jets want to be aggressive. I could actually see Miami being more interested in CMC than the Texans if he was part of a deal. Would be a nice weapon if they are trying to develop Tua.

How much we would have to give up would be dependent on what other teams were also offering. If the Jets want to be aggressive it would take an offer from us that most people here wouldn’t be comfortable with. I’m thinking three first, Burns and Chinn.

They also traded up for a QB with concerns.

A lot of people had doubts about Herbert. He played in a limited system. Some of his accuracy numbers were horrible. Also in some of his biggest games he played terrible. I find it amusing that some of the posters around here that are afraid to trade up for a QB this year because of concerns are quick to talk about how we screwed up not taking Herbert. If Herbert was in this draft class he would probably be QB5.

I missed the part about Jones, just edited. I do think there is a chance 4 go before us, it’s an odd year.

Don’t get me wrong, I’ve said all along my perfect scenario is if we can draft one of the top 4 QBs without trading up. I’m just not sure if the team is willing to risk it. I’m not totally sold on Jones, but I could easily be wrong. If we go the Jones route it would be nice if we could pick up an extra pick by trading down, but that could get risky.

What would be your choice of action this year?

Nobody saw Patrick Mahomes when Patrick Mahomes was drafted either, if they had he would have gone first.

Trading down and picking up someone like Mac Jones, I assume that is who you are talking about, is a very valid option. Would you be willing to take him at 8 or where do you think you could trade back to and take him? In regard to next year, what’s the chances we are in position to take a QB with no concerns? If I knew I could get the #1 pick I would be all for that, but there is a chance we might be picking later in next years draft and some people says next years class is worse. Basically we would be passing on trading up for a better prospect this year so we can take a worse prospect next without trading up. Problem with QBs is they are almost always over drafted. Here again, I’m not opposed to waiting, but I can definitely see arguments both ways.

So what would you prefer to do? Are you comfortable going with Teddy if a QB doesn’t make it to 8? Draft a later round QB like Trask or Newman? Wait till next year? I’m not saying you’re wrong, part of me wants to be patient and wait at 8 also, but I can see why they are considering it. How often do you really get a chance to draft a QB without concerns? If they don’t have concerns they go first and some years even those do.