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This forum is going to stroke when we have to give up multiple picks and CMC just to move up to 5 to pick Lance.

this graphic isn't talking about completions, its talking about accurate passes so the separation of the receiver isn't a factor. Might not be the full story, but its a good bit.

and Texans take back his signing bonus. Also if they give away Watson for nothing their fan base is also mad. Honestly both sides stand to lose, its a game of who blinks first, but this idea that Watson has all the leverage is misinformed.

and who still thinks QBs will fall this year?

The Jets don't have to be the best. Carolina makes a good offer. Miami makes a better offer. Jets make the best offer. Watson like the Miami offer the best. Texans say we will only accept the Jets offer. Watson says "go Jets!" If he really wants out he might talk himself into it.

The ones drafted out of the 1st round didn't even get the chance to be on the list.

exactly ^ Players and coaches at that level don't get there without ego. Fans have a bad habit of forming opinions based on the agenda they hope happens. Its stupid to not think Miami and the Jets would be at least be somewhat interested. Its also stupid to think Watson wouldn't be interested. Its also stupid to not realize they could both probably put together a better trade package than us.

Their PR is already pretty bad, if they let him go for nothing they will get bad PR for that also. If anything the longer it goes the more of the chance Watson's PR looks worse.

New GM and new coach, players can change their mind quickly, especially if they were a fan of the coach before he took the job. If you are mad at an organization for not valuing your opinion, wouldn't playing for a coach you had a high opinion of and winning with said coach validate the idea that your previous team should have listened to you. If anything, going to the Jets and winning, is the best situation for him to prove everyone that he was right.

Stafford being on that list doesn't make me too happy either if we are really considering him. If a QB doesn't play well under the best situation (clean pocket) he has to bare some of the responsibility of not playing well and isn't all the coaches' fault. Expecting a QB to be something(better) that he hasn't been in the past is how in ended up with Teddy. We need to quit trying to find the bargains. Either go after Watson or draft one in the first round (trade up if needed).

Mims played pretty good at WR for a rookie, Becton played pretty good at LT as a Rookie, add Watson and it wouldn't' take much at all. They could easily add a big time WR in free agency if they wanted. Somebody like Galladay, Robinson, or Godwin.

Its easy to make excuses for him since he plays for Jets, and to blame the coaching and players around him, but stats like this make me nervous.

They have 5 first round picks over the next three years, they can give up draft picks and still be in decent shape as far as draft capitol goes, better than us. They also have the 3rd most cap space this offseason in what should be a buyers market. They also look to have hit on their 1st rounder last year, a LT, and we all know how hard that is to find. I know their history isn't good but if he buys into the current front office and the new coach they are actually in a good spot as far as resources go.

Pretty confident in saying most scouting departments have ballpark grades on a lot of the guys a year out. Not sure if that is really a huge tactical advantage. Predicting what any team does on draft night is impossible, draft night is so fluid, one move ahead of you can have a trickle down affect that changes your entire draft. Maybe if they were picking one spot ahead of us he could make an educated guess on what they would do but not a huge deal with respective draft positions. He will have some insight on the type of players they value, but honestly Schneider and Carroll have been there so long most teams probably already know that. I want to say they value SPARQ alot, could be wrong. Maybe one of his previous scouts had been talking about some small school "gem", but even that is rare. Very few good players really fall through the scouting cracks.

IMO any package of picks that includes includes a pick this year that could let them draft a QB they really like would be more appealing to them than a package that does not. You at least need to give your fanbase some hope, they are going to be upset enough about losing Watson if it happens. At #4 Atlanta could potentially have a very valuable pick depending on how the board falls and depending on how Houston views the 2-3 QBs after Trevor. Maybe Houston decides that they Fields is the clear #2 QB, what if Fields falls to Atlanta's spot. Maybe Atlanta could put together a really attractive trade package. The cap math would be interesting, also I'm not sure if Houston would want Ryan or not. They could take him and let him start for a year or two? Outside of the Jets there is a good chance they wait to draft night to do anything if they do decide to do something. The value of the Dolphins, Falcons, and even our 1st round pick with be somewhat dependent on how the board falls. With the Jets pick they pretty much know they can have any QB outside of Trevor, they might not end up with the QB they really want.

I like Moore more than Brown but Brown has more time on rookie deal. Cap saved is cap I can spend to upgrade a different position.

So Denver and Philly are organizations you would prefer to be like? Ok By your reasoning Dilfer is better than Cam?

CMC, Jackson, Chinn, Moore, Brown, Burns would be the order I would offer

here again name better teams over the past 10 and KCs success has been recent, and they are as dependent on a QB as anyone. Bills, here again short term success, although I like their model, here again QB dependent. You can't criticize Seattle for living off of their QB and then name two teams who success is directly attributed to their play. Newsflash, really good teams tend to have really good QB play

best way to win the Super Bowl is to give yourself a chance every year, as a fan that is pretty much all you can ask for. After that there is some luck involved, look at the Bills that lost 4 straight, or Eli and the Giants that won 2. You can't count on hot streaks or predict them, but you can build consistency and then you hope the hot streak happens. If you don't like their model of success who exactly do you like? Outside of the Patriots of course?

Here again how many teams were better than them over the last 10 years, last 5? The list is small. Also they were constantly better than us than when we had Cam. They also won a SB more recently than us. You cant count on outlier single years, as a fan you should want your team to be good year in and year out. To make the playoffs almost every year. They have done that for the past 5-10 years as well as almost anyone. For a franchise that has never had back to back winning records their history should be exactly what we are trying to be.

What is their winning percentage the last 10 years? last 5 years? and how does that compare to everyone else in the league.

most articles i see call him a TE. Started as a big WR, moved to TE. low risk, late round guy with some athletic tools. Stephen Sullivan Draft and Combine Prospect Profile | NFL.com

Saints are good because of their drafting, its allowed them to stay competitive while being in "cap hell" Their 2017 draft is probably one of the best draft of all time, that didn't' include a QB. 4 all pro level players on rookie deals goes a long way

I would think that everyone of those conversations also talked about QB at some point. Not just what we should do but also trying to gain insight into what other teams might be doing. Not that the other candidates are going to give away confidential information but any information is a plus.