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Jets could give up 3-4 1st round picks for Watson, or they could give up some for Stafford, then trade down a few spots with the 2nd overall pick and get back more picks than they gave up for Stafford.

and he played terrible last year, and he is on the last year of his deal, and there is some thought they might be interested in finding a replacement. Not saying they are likely for a Stafford trade, but it wouldn't be crazy to see them in the QB market in some capacity.

I think there is a very good chance he could end up being QB6 or 7. If 4 QB go in the top 10 I could see #7 not making it past the 2nd round.

You are making the argument that our better skill position players make us a better destination to Stafford, I don't agree. You might think so, even I might think so, that isn't the point. I can see Stafford viewing teams such as Pittsburg or Indy as being better situations. Just like it doesn't take years to be a contender, it doesn't take you skill positions long to change. Samuel might be leaving, last year of Robby, and Moore doesn't have an extension and CMC is a RB. Indy has the second most cap space, they can easily sign a FA WR. As a Panther fan I would love to think we are the most desirable team in the league, I commend your dedication, I just don't agree with it.

because he is getting older, and they are in a position to take one. A team like Atlanta doesn't plan on picking that high that often and even when they do there isn't a guarantee that there will be a worthy QB prospect there. In a perfect world they would probably prefer to draft Ryans replacement next year, or the year after, but they might not get the chance. Might be hard for them to turn down the chance to draft someone like Fields. These are 4 very highly rated QBs, 3 of them might be #1 picks other years. Teams can go decades without being able to draft #1 type QBs, you don't past that up.

The split seems somewhat amicable, I would think they will work with him to some degree. They aren't going to give him away for nothing, also I'm sure they would like to keep him out of the division, but I expect them to work to help them get to somewhere he wants to be.

All the Cam fans get upset with the comparison but it does make sense on some levels. They aren't saying Lance is as good as a runner but he is a bit of a power runner like Cam. Neither were Lamar or Vick style runners. Cam was so much different because you could call designed power runs, Lance has some of that. Also when people talk about arm strength Cam was in a different tier than almost all QBs. A lot QBs get described as having good arms, but Cam was probably a top-3, if not top level arm in the league, based on pure velocity. Lance falls in the category. Saying he has the strongest arm since Cam, and is the best power runner since Cam, are actually compliments to Cam. That doesn't mean they think he is better than Cam at those two things, it means they think he does those things better than all of the people since Cam. Shows you how rare Cam was. Personally I like the Allen comp is better than most. Good athlete, elite arm, questionable accuracy coming out of college.

Your fandom is cute. and WFT won more than us without a QB Pittsburg won more than us without a QB Patriots won more than us without a QB Indy won 11 games with Rivers, do you seriously not think that Stafford considers himself as good as Rivers. Denver won more than us without a QB. San Fran won more than us without a QB.

and we won 5 games. I get being a homer, but really, lets try to somewhat realistic. Indy went 11-5. Pittsburg went 12-4. Patriots have won the Super Bowl. I'm not super sold on WFT but they did win the division, and had a better record then us. None of the other teams in that division look stable so he might view that as favorable We aren't nearly the FA destination that a lot of the fans think.

^ This Stafford will want to go somewhere he can win, the Lions will probably prefer not to trade him in the division.

Indy? went 11-5 and QB just retired. Patriots? WFT? Denver? There are plenty of teams you could see Stafford as a good upgrade and from the outside looking in we don't look as appealing as a lot of the fans on this forum think.

Even if they don't, he doesn't have pick 2 or 3 being a QB, which I don't see happening. So either way there is a good chance three QBs will be off the board by pick 8, and all 4 being gone is a very real possibility also.

We don't need to swap contracts at all, Stafford is only about $20m. Cutting Teddy and KK gets there, not to mention multiple other restructures you could easily do to make it work. If Shaq gets moved its because he got cut, nobody wants to trade for his $10m salary next year.

Even if they don't, he doesn't have pick 2 or 3 being a QB, which I don't see happening. So either way there is a good chance three QBs will be off the board by pick 8, and all 4 being gone is a very real possibility.

How many of you have actually watched Devin White all year? Or honestly at all outside of the two playoff games

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It’s not just that those win now teams will value him more but I think he will value them more also. I don’t really see him wanting to come to the Panthers and I do think they will work with him some in location.

QB picks tend to go for a premium over the traditional trade value chart. This year I think even more so. Add about 50% to those amounts.

I don't think Stafford has a no trade clause but I could Detroit working with him to get to somewhere he wants to be. I'm not sure if we fit that profile.

I think the cost for Watson is going to be substantially higher than a lot around here are going to want to pay. I'm of the "have to have a QB camp" but there does come a point you could give up too much. Trading for Watson guarantees we get a good QB. If we trade too much it doesn't guarantee that we will have a good team though. Stafford feels like a better Teddy. Doesn't really feel like we fixed our problem long term. Best guess right now, we end up trading up to make sure we get QB 3 or 4 in the draft. We might end up trading multiple 1st to get to that 3-5 range, let alone to the Jets pick. If that doesn't work we trade back a little bit and take Jones, or go BPA and look at Newman/Trask in the second or punt to next year.

I know he sat out, and I know he has been inconsistent in the past, but if he hadn't sat out and played decently well it isn't crazy to think he couldn't have moved into the first round this year. Everyone is making a big deal about coaching Jones, but I think most teams have a pretty good idea on him, but Newman is the bigger unknown.

lol You seem to follow college a good bit. I'm not a fan of later round QBs, but what about Newman? Isn't he going to be at the senior bowl? If for some reason the first round QBs don't work out for us, any redeeming qualities?

Fans have a bad habit of lumping all 1st round picks together when talking about trades. Our #8 is a different category than Indy's 21 or Patriot's 15. Likewise our #8 is nowhere as valuable as the #2 of the Jets or #3 of the Dolphins when talking about trading for Watson.

Yes. I've said all along if we can get any of the top 4 QBS in the draft without giving up more draft capital I would be happy.

You have to look at what other teams would give when you are trying to figure out what it would take you to trade for him. There are teams later in the 1st round that would happily give up a first. For a good team, just needing a QB such as Indy, what helps you more? using your first on Stafford or Trask or Jones So if Indy or the Pats would trade their 1st what would we have to trade to move ahead of that? Our first? that would probably work but honestly that might be too much, so you offer next years first. Why would they take next years first over a current years first from another team? That is why you have to throw in the second this year. I'm not saying we should give up that much, but it makes sense that it would take that much when you look at it logically.