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Both times!

Guys make no mistake Henson hooker fuging sucks like won’t be able to execute the offense but if we just wanna run play action da bomb flip to Tet all game that’d be pretty great. Hooker has a fuging hose

Bryce is not a realistic candidate for New Orleans because of SEC reasons and I am dead serious about that. they won’t bring in an Alabama qb.

they ran it one time sunday!

yeah, a corgi because he was always injured because of his bilateral hip dysplasia (shaq was fine)

Oh for sure. I just wanted to preempt it. we disagree about nothing these days.

Look at who they’re interviewing there. parcels, aikman, Peyton etc. the youngest guy is KOC who’s forty. The passing game 25, 35, 45 years ago looked less glamorous to be sure but it was far more complex. You didn’t have these packages where you’d make quick checks, every play was its own thing, basically everyone was playing under center etc. once the nfl got out of the dead ball era things became very complex very quickly and they hadnt figured out a way to truncate it. Plus it was nowhere in college or high school. Vertical passing attacks just didn’t exist. So yeah parcells probably does have that view because that’s what he came up in. Aikman had to learn that when he got to the nfl. Aikman was so lost his rookie season the cowboys almost took Jeff George first overall in 1990. Today the learning curve is a lot lower. pro concepts today borrow a great deal from the college game now. Tons of air raid stuff, RPO, pistol, etc. even though everything is faster at every position, it’s schematically more simple. The learning curve is nowhere near what it was for even Peyton manning when he came out. plus, prospects today are basically pro qbs from the time they’re in middle school. Bryce Young for example lived in invite only qb camps since he reached his max height at 12 years old. The whole “they shouldn’t get paid because they get a degree for free” was always just an insincere argument from racist old people, but no one even pretends to make it anymore. Playing qb at a division 1 school is a full time job for years before you even get to campus. And that is all they do. The days of people excelling in multiple sports to the point there’s pro interest and then just choosing one or the other and succeeding are over. Aikman was drafted by the Mets out of high school and decided to go start as a freshman at Oklahoma. The exact opposite is happening now, to the point you’ve got guys going to play baseball for a few years, coming back to college football, and playing until they’re like 27. that’s actually one of the theories about why darnold isn’t better than everyone feels he should be. He only played two years of college football. In highschool he was first team all everything in every sport. Dude has an insane athletic pedigree. But there’s at least four years of highschool invite camps he never got to go to. You can’t just be the most athletic guy in the room anymore. So obviously the older guys are complaining about how things are done; it’s what offer guys do. But the pro game today is much more accessible for these guys than it was back in their day, and the players are more ready for the transition. Like is anyone defending Anthony Richardson? What im saying is we know what Bryce young is and we should t wait for waiting’s sake.

Bryce is into…darker…things.

Everyone knew Manziel was going to flame out, especially once the combine process started and all the stories from TAMU started to get to teams. Dude straight up did not know how to play football, how to read a defense, how to not do drugs. There were rumors that his family was involved in armenian organized crime that were pretty credible. He was just that physically gifted in college; he had a huge arm, he could scramble away from anyone, and no matter where he was on the field he could toss up a jump ball to mike evans. Him beating Alabama was what caused Saban to finally get away from statue QBs and implement some RPO elements. The way he played in college was never going to work in the pros. Even if he wasn't a polysubstance abuser and was cerebral and willing to put in the work, the best case scenario was always him sitting for multiple years and learning how to play football. He was off almost all boards, notably not Dallas tho. This a true story. A homeless person approached Jimmy Haslam on the street and told him to draft Johnny Football. So the Browns did. That was just about the worst place he could have landed, he started right away, and the first time he tried to get to the edge against an NFL linebacker he realized he wasn't as fast as Luke Kuechly and he was injured and never really played again. I was at this game. Anyway, great college player, absolutely deserved the Heisman, was never going to work in the NFL, hard to call him a bust just because the Browns reached for him and threw him to the wolves.

You’re calling players “serviceable” which is a meaningless subjective descriptor then backing that up with stats across vastly different eras of football without any context. Youre being disingenuous and annoying.

id be fine with us drafting calvin johnson

did you get this list of QBs from chatgpt? You're being laughed at on other parts of the internet btw lmao that's a list, but for fun since I like football history: Sam Darnold: 13-25 in his three Jets years, including two under Adam Gase. Do I need to say more? Geno Smith: 11-18 in two seasons, lost starting job his third year when a preseason jaw injury opened the door to FitzMagic. Jake Plummer: 15-21 in his first three seasons, which doesn't include a playoff win over Dallas, he struggled badly when they let Larry Centers go after his second season without a replacement (Remember when fullbacks were centerpieces of offenses? That was cool). Jim Plunkett: 14-28 in three (14-game) seasons, during the NFL's dead ball era for a bad team in a tough division. Doug Williams: 19-22-1 in his first three seasons, including a 10-6 second year where they went to the NFC Championship game, after taking over a team that had been 2-26 the prior two years. He had a great defense and was content with 40% completion because he was chucking bombs. Tommy Maddox: 0-4 as a rookie in 1992, then never started again until 2002 when he had his resurgence with Pittsburgh. Maddox entered the draft after his sophomore season when that was extremely uncommon because Dan Reeves thought he might be the replacement for John Elway, then when Reeves got fired, Maddox never saw the field. He'd bounce around but as mentioned, basically barely saw the field after his rookie year, having just 164 attempts in his pre-XFL stints with Denver, the LA Rams, Giants, and Falcons (The latter two as basically a practice squad guy when Reeves was the head coach in both cities). Steve Young: 5-17 in his first three seasons, but those first two years were with Tampa during the middle of all their double digit loss seasons when that franchise was basically at its nadir. Like, yeah, he was bad with them, who wasn't? Everyone knew he had a ton talent from college and his time in the USFL. He went 2-1 in his third year, his first as Joe Montana's backup. Drew Brees: 10-17 in three seasons, which includes him not starting a game as a rookie, an 8-8 second year when he finally did start, then 2-9 and getting benched for Doug Flutie his third year. San Diego Brees was not quite the same as New Orleans Brees. Rich Gannon: He didn't start a game his first three seasons, then went 19-16 over the 1990-1992 seasons when he was the Vikings main starter. Those Minnesota teams were feeling the effects of the Herschel Walker trade and bad coaching. Alex Smith: Already mentioned, but 11-19 in his first three seasons, with three different OCs running different systems and the head coach interfering as well. Vinny Testaverde: 10-23 in three years, replacing Steve Young, and throwing an absurd 63 INTs (With 35 alone in his second season!). Again, Tampa was horrible and Vinny didn't play great but also had little around him in those years, plus bad coaching. Terry Bradshaw: 19-16 in three years, notably going 11-3 his third year and making it to the AFC Championship. His numbers were not good at all, but this was 1970-1972 playing for a defense/run first team. Now, 30 starts doesn't exactly work out to three seasons, but the only two with as nearly an awful win-loss rate as Bryce were Maddox and Steve Young. Bryce would need to win 4 games just to get to double digit wins (Which would tie Brees and Vinny).

That's also in an era when DBs could press for 10 yards, Qbs could be hit, QBs could have players land on them, incidental contact could be made with the head etc. You can't compare bryce to players like this. What you can do is say who's done less over their first 30 starts and had more resources dedicated to them and at that point you're looking at like Joey Harrington. At least with Joey there weren't morons in the fan base falling over themselves to compare him to players from the first year of the NFL merger.

no one is going to take you seriously when you're pulling in doug williams and jim plunketts of the world. you're just listing QBs who had a fluke not terrible season later in their career, and you're butchering that. Like Tommy Maddox is kill on site in Pittsburgh. you're sea lioning in defense of the biggest (shortest) qb bust of the modern era.

Honestly this makes Bryce look worse. legette just doesn’t make plays on the ball and with a weak armed qb dbs will always be able to close.