Mr. Scot

There weren't any ongoing consequences from the other stuff you're talking about. This is still talked about now because Seattle went from looking like a dynasty to looking lost. They're back to looking good now but still not what they once were. This is why it's a discussion.

I don't really want to offer anybody the kind of trade packages that people have been talking about offering.

We just got rid of Marty Hurney. Why would we want to continue his practice of letting emotions affect football decisions?

Eehhh, I don't know about that. There's a big difference between "aggressive" and "any price".

I'm not doing the painting. Not long ago, there was an SI article that broke the whole thing down. There was way more to it than just a simple on field scuffle.

Insiders that have commented on the situation say draft picks alone won't cut it. General expectation is that we need to include a player on the level of Brian Burns or Jeremy Chinn, possibly more.

Hit or miss...

"Any price" sounds like picks, players, stock options and our immortal souls.

Panthers.com Turns out he's not that big a fan of "Pot Roast". He'd rather be called "T". The article is a good read.

One of the reasons I think someone is just putting their own interpretation on it. We'd be absolute morons to let something like this be known.

Yeah, I seriously doubt he gets traded.

Meanwhile...

I kinda feel like this is just somebody rehashing stuff we've already heard in their own words.

Which would make Carr expendable. And yeah, getting a quarterback that Gruden doesn't have to develop would definitely help.

Was eye opening reading that they were ready to draft Mahomes. Boy wouldn't that have made things interesting.

Carroll was an unsuccessful NFL coach for a lot of years before he got to Seattle. Honestly, Carroll's base philosophies aren't all that different from Ron Rivera. And while a say in the scheme could be considered reasonable (especially with a really smart quarterback) there's also what's described in the Athletic article. Specifically, where Wilson was struggling as a passer and Carroll wanted to go back to running more but Wilson resisted. Most players have huge egos and are all generally going to bet on themselves. Their advice at times might not always be the most objective.

Pretty much. This is why teams don't ask fans for advice. Too many fans can't divorce their hero worship from their decision making. "GIVE HIM ANYTHING HE WANTS! DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET HIM! WHO CARES IF HE'S A HEADACHE?" Again, things that are very easy to say when you're not affected by the consequences. And if it goes wrong, you just blame the person who did exactly what you wanted them to do and call for them to be fired. Nice Heck, we had people here who wanted to bend over backwards to keep Cam Newton and even extend him. How'd that turn out? Coaches and GMs thrive by being able to make objective decisions. When they can't, they wind up like Marty Hurney, who's admitted that allowing his feelings to affect his decisions was part of his downfall.

Telling someone "hey we're bringing in this guy, what do you think?" Is a pretty long way from "so who do you think we should go after?"

I already did if you're paying attention. Plus it's not exactly a difficult story to find. If you go back and look for the article about when Richard Sherman picked him off in practice and yelled "you f---ing suck", and the aftermath that followed. You'll find Sherman wasn't the only one talking. Heck, there have been numerous articles about how Seattle was expected to be a dynasty but they quickly fell apart. I'm not sure how you've missed them.

From what I've read, few if any teams do that in general, and definitely not at the level that Wilson is said to be wanting. And realistically, why should they? Being good player doesn't make you a good talent evaluator. Heck, the vast majority of great players who transition to coaching bend up being lousy.

Valid. I also seriously doubt that Rhule and Fitterer would give him a say in personnel. Honestly, that's hard to imagine of a lot of coaches and/or GMs.

Wrong. I'm using Owens as an example to point out that sometimes teams decide star players aren't worth the headache. Your attitude as a fan might be "who cares, they're millionaires, they can suck it up". On the flipside, their attitude (from the perspective of people used to getting what they want and not necessarily fans of dealing with things that piss them off) might be that Player X is a POS that they don't want to have to deal with every day. These guys are actual human beings, believe it or not.

I don't know what Fitterer thinks. None of us do. Point though is that if it turned out Fitterer thought it wasn't trading for him, that'd raise an eyebrow. We'd all wonder why.

Thanks for supporting my point.

Actually, there's been talk of Wilson being a point of contention in the Seahawks locker room for years. Just like the article mentions, some teammates think he gets coddled too much. It's real easy for fans to sit here and say "Who cares if he's an issue as long as he wins?" For the people whose job it is to have to deal with stuff like this everyday though, it's not that simple.