kungfoodude

Our drafted WR closet has more skeletons than a serial killer. You missed Colbert. I guess one could argue Carruth but those circumstances were....unique. Oddly, we have had a couple of underappreciated 2nd rounders with solid careers. LaFell and Samuel. Not star players but good journeyman role players that were worthy of those picks in the end(mostly not for us).

He is likely to be on his last legs as the starter there. Tomlin has as much as intimated that. I would say he has maybe 1-2 games left before they roll out Russell.

I mean, I would be okay with Fields at the right price. You have to understand it is going to be a downgrade from Dalton in terms of the passing game. He would add an element of explosiveness to our already pretty decent running attack but he would aid in stunting the growth of our younger WR's, as he is a bottom quarter of the league passer. Just understand that choosing him as a future starter would be a pretty dramatic offensive limitation in the passing game. He is not likely to ever ascend above more than a slightly below average NFL passer at his peak. I mean, still way better than Bryce but....

I mean.....we also allow some of the most time to throw in the NFL. We are sort of asking them to work miracles.

I think a 4th is unlikely. Adams is a little different scenario price-wise because he had a very limited list of suitors. That always impacts trade value.

The offseason is gonna be interesting. They are gonna push him to restructure. I would say for his sake, he might want to play ball. If he doesn't and it keeps going this way, this will be his last stop in the NFL.

It's pretty early. I am encouraged by XL playing better and Coker should be getting more reps. He has been leaps and bounds away our most impressive rookie. It's a lot of "wait and see" overall. If at the end of this year at least two of these guys look like viable starters for next year and for reasons other than "don't have anyone else" that's a start.

You are inserting arguments I haven't made. The Chargers are definitively better but they were also far better than us last year. However, they ended up being a bottom 10 PPG and yardage defense in 2024. We were in the top 10 in YPG and bottom 10 in PPG. Harbaugh ball improved their defense and will likely(TBD) net improved W/L results this season, as well. I don't expect them to be a Super Bowl team in year 1. I don't expect playing a little smarter and beating Atlanta is going to catapult us to being a .500 team either.

We have at least 2-3 more years of top 10 drafting so we have to be sure to make those picks count. That's the sort of foundation that can get us to being a consistently winning team and possibly a contending team. Hopefully the 2024 draft went well. I am extremely skeptical of that one but if it did, that could very well be step 1.

Well they also started from a higher tier than we did in terms of overall talent. Also happened to hire competent people to build those teams. That's pretty questionable here. We should see what happened there first. You keep acquiring and stockpiling talent, you start to be surprisingly competitive and then you make ths big leap with a few key additions. We haven't even made the first of those steps yet.

So you still want to win a game or two more or are you planning on trotting out there, shaking hands at the coin flip and then going back to the buses? Just because I acknowledge we are years of building away from being above .500 doesn't mean I don't want to win. Did you stop wanting to win?

It's not premature because it was an example about changing the way you play to help the defense. That did happen there. Go re-read that. You inserted your own meaning.

Not a bad throw, bad decision and bad route. Mingo was open and that was the only real place to go with the ball, that ie throw it away. Well, same thing, really. But there were a lot of errors before that one that led to us being down in the game. I just personally would have kept rocking them because they were gassed.

My argument is play smart football and let the chips fall where they may. We don't do that enough. In this past game, I believe it was a contributing factor to the loss. Most of the rest of this season was going to happen, regardless. The biggest bump would have been never starting Bryce in the first place but what do you do? And, yes, some of it is the coaches fault. Canales is far from perfect. Evero isn't perfect either. As much as the players and FO tote the blame, those guys get it too. All that being said, 90% of our current situation is FO/Ownership driven. For the here and now, making massive defensive changes isn't going to matter enough to actually impact W's and L's, IMO. As the old X's and O's saying goes.....

That Harbaugh ball has also done very well in his previous NFL stops and in Baltimore. I'll take that over whatever you think is successful.

Hence why I say it came down to a few errors and some key mistakes. I will also point out on that first Dalton INT we were absolutely cutting through them in the running game. IMO, especially late, keep thumping them when they are the most tired. We aren't built to be a high flying offense, BTW. Literally we are not.

I don't think this will age well.

I mean, this is literally a strategy employed by outmatched opponents from Pee Wee football up to the NFL. If you know that you are gonna have a high flying offense coming your way, you try to keep them out of rhythm by keeping them off the field and even the disparity by grinding their defense to dust. Believe me, it's not a high probability of win tactic. It's just pure survival. That's who we are now. We are the "just survive and hope it goes our way" guys.

If you are getting stomped, you have to start getting pass happy. That's also football 101. And that gas happened versus three of our six opponents. The other three games were not that. I think we have a lot of fans that assume we get stomped from gate to gate each week because, well, they are Panthers fans. The fact of the matter is that our offense is technically built to rush the ball. It is the strength. Our defense also needs a ball control offense because...they stink. You want a good example of the difference this can make? Look at the current Harbaugh Chargers versus the previous years with Herbert.

That would be a valid example for most games that weren't versus Falcons.

I mean, the obvious answer to not getting your poo pushed in each week really has nothing to do with the defense. You have to change what you do offensively. Be a ball control offense that wears the other teams defense down while keeping your defense off the field as much as possible. Dominate TOP. Are we gonna make big strides in the W/L category that way? Probably not. It might just slim the margins up slightly. If you just want to not allow as many points, that's really the sole way that is going to happen.

You have repsonded to literally every single thing that I have said with either wholly unrelated "facts", scenarios that had zero to do with our game Sunday, blantantly lying about the game itself to support your "facts", etc, etc. And you want me to go on fact hunts for...what exactly? If you have overwhelming data showing that it's a far more winning strategy to pass the the ball as much as possible with a poor defense or to ignore the obvious weaknesses of an opponent, I mean I am all ears.

I mean....we have lived through these eras multiple times. How soon we forget.

Now it's about QB mobility. That funny. Look man, you do you. I would encourage you to occasionally tune into our games once in a while. You should be able to see the blantantly obvious.

The point would still stand. They are playing relatively as effectively in those situations. I will also point out that Horn is a little bit better more sure of a tackler than Jackson. 10% Missed Tackle Rate versus 12.1%. Jackson has played fairly well, about at his statistical averages historically. Consequently, this is the worst season statistically that Horn has ever had(which he has also played in very few games in his career, less than 2 seasons total). Horn has generally regressed to Jackson's level, which is not bad but not elite.