kungfoodude

I personally don't think there is much debate between Cam/Jake. Jake, although beloved had many roster benefits that Cam didn't enjoy. Cam was on track to a HOF career and we really can't say that about Jake. Plus if you go best versus best, Cam's 2015 MVP season is something we will likely never experience again(sadly). Jake had an amazing career arc, however. Still will be a beloved player.

I know a lot of people got wildly fixated on BC as a starter but I have always maintained and believe that his true value is a OT/OG high caliber backup. This is where he really helps the team out most.

I don’t think you are allowed to call a ginger "Rusty."

I don’t think making any of those moves would have mattered at all. Remember that the one thing that wouldn't have changed it the idiots coaching, idiots making FO decisions and the idiot owning the team. This is why I don't get too invested in the "what ifs" under Tepper. This mess starts at the top.

I don't really think there is any danger of our starters looking comfortable, so that seems like an unfounded worry.

If you really want some depressing stats: Panthers Preseasons with Winning Record: 8 Panthers Seasons with Winning Record: 7

2023 Preseason: 0-3 (finished 2-15) 2022 Preseason: 2-1 (finished 7-10) 2021 Preseason: 1-2 (finished 5-12) 2020 Preseason: No Preseason (finished 5-11) 2019 Preseason: 2-2 (finished 5-11) 2018 Preseason: 3-1 (finished 7-9) 2017 Preseason: 2-2 (finished 11-5) 2016 Preseason: 2-2 (finished 6-10) 2015 Preseason: 3-1 (finished 15-1) 2014 Preseason: 2-2 (finished 7-8-1) 2013 Preseason: 3-1 (finished 12-4) 2012 Preseason: 2-2 (finished 7-9) 2011 Preseason: 1-3 (finished 6-10) 2010 Preseason: 1-3 (finished 2-14) 2009 Preseason: 0-4 (finished 8-8) 2008 Preseason: 2-2 (finished 12-4) 2007 Preseason: 1-3 (finished 7-9) 2006 Preseason: 4-0 (finished 8-8) 2005 Preseason: 2-2 (finished 11-5) 2004 Preseason: 4-0 (finished 7-9) 2003 Preseason: 4-0 (finished 11-5) 2002 Preseason: 1-3 (finished 7-9) 2001 Preseason: 2-2 (finished 1-15) 2000 Preseason: 0-4 (finished 7-9) 1999 Preseason: 2-2 (finished 8-8) 1998 Preseason: 2-2 (finished 4-12) 1997 Preseason: 0-4 (finished 7-9) 1996 Preseason: 2-2 (finished 12-4) 1995 Preseason: 3-2 (finished 7-9) Winning Preseason and Winning Season: 37.5% Losing Preseason and Losing Season: 88.9% .500 Preseason and Winning Season: 36.4% .500 Preseason and Losing Season: 54.5% FWIW, this was the data I gathered. *Posted this in another thread but probably better suited for this discussion. There is some data for you guys to digest/bicker over.

2023 Preseason: 0-3 (finished 2-15) 2022 Preseason: 2-1 (finished 7-10) 2021 Preseason: 1-2 (finished 5-12) 2020 Preseason: No Preseason (finished 5-11) 2019 Preseason: 2-2 (finished 5-11) 2018 Preseason: 3-1 (finished 7-9) 2017 Preseason: 2-2 (finished 11-5) 2016 Preseason: 2-2 (finished 6-10) 2015 Preseason: 3-1 (finished 15-1) 2014 Preseason: 2-2 (finished 7-8-1) 2013 Preseason: 3-1 (finished 12-4) 2012 Preseason: 2-2 (finished 7-9) 2011 Preseason: 1-3 (finished 6-10) 2010 Preseason: 1-3 (finished 2-14) 2009 Preseason: 0-4 (finished 8-8) 2008 Preseason: 2-2 (finished 12-4) 2007 Preseason: 1-3 (finished 7-9) 2006 Preseason: 4-0 (finished 8-8) 2005 Preseason: 2-2 (finished 11-5) 2004 Preseason: 4-0 (finished 7-9) 2003 Preseason: 4-0 (finished 11-5) 2002 Preseason: 1-3 (finished 7-9) 2001 Preseason: 2-2 (finished 1-15) 2000 Preseason: 0-4 (finished 7-9) 1999 Preseason: 2-2 (finished 8-8) 1998 Preseason: 2-2 (finished 4-12) 1997 Preseason: 0-4 (finished 7-9) 1996 Preseason: 2-2 (finished 12-4) 1995 Preseason: 3-2 (finished 7-9) Winning Preseason and Winning Season: 37.5% Losing Preseason and Losing Season: 88.9% .500 Preseason and Winning Season: 36.4% .500 Preseason and Losing Season: 54.5% FWIW, this was the data I gathered.

You are barking up the wrong tree. I was the guy that was pissed we signed him to the contract we did. It had nothing to do with him being great or not great. It's the modern NFL. Only utter fools pay RB's big money. As for All Time greats, notice that he isn't on many people's lists here. Perhaps that has more to do with the time periods being vastly different or maybe the people that actually watched all of the Panthers seasons without any recency bias actually do remember Double Trouble and how dominant that duo was for many years.

Underrated QB in Panthers history.

He maxed out his abilities. Some people just don't have it.

How is overreaction even possible? Am I missing something? Are we not expected to the the worst team in the NFL by pundits and our fans alike? Our season is a success based on it having some level of cohesion and possibly our offseason moves not looking like a fuging disaster. That's my take. At least at that rate we have hope the Top 5 draft pick will be something that will help and some potential light at the end of this tunnel.

I am fine with anyone that is okay losing preseason games. I can't stress enough how basically only people fighting for roster spots and apparently Huddle posters actually care about this.

They fooled a lot of us.

Brother, take care on your journey.

I don't care about preseason wins or losses. I can't imagine why in the world anyone would. The preseason is solely for player evaluation. This coaching staff has its evaluation on our starters for better or worse. I will start caring about any of this on Sept. 8th.

I don't care about the history of preseason. That's not anything even the most autistic stat nerd cares about. Good luck with your crusade.

They are meaningless for everyone that isn’t just trying to make a roster. We just aren't going to agree on this issue. I mostly have never nor will likely ever care much about preseason. Especially after the 17th game was added and probably when it goes to 18 and there are only two.

Preseason is meaningless. Ask any of the umtpeen veterans who have publicly stated this hundreds of times over the past 20+ years. It. Doesn't. Matter.

He gave a nothing answer. I just don't see why anyone cares about this even remotely. His answer or him playing. It's one of the biggest non-issue issues the Huddle has drug up.

That's literally openly beefing with your coaches. That's very stupid.

I mean, this is a standard answer. Not really sure what anyone expects other than this.

There is no worry of getting a haul for Horn. On the trade market he has pretty limited value. No one is going to trade a haul for a guy as banged up as he is. TBH, we would be lucky to get much more than a third rounder. IMO, given out situation, we should just stick it out(assuming the price is right). The chances he gets healthy for long stretches of time might be small but we aren’t likely to find a better corner without utilizing another top 10 pick. Obviously we will have ample amounts of those in the coming years but CB isn't likely to be as high of a priority for a while, I would assume. Let's see how it plays out. Maybe he surprises everyone and actually stays healthy.

This implies that he wasn't really injured those other times which is just demonstrably false. You can't "gut it out" on a major injury. It's not his call completely even if he wanted to. He will very likely miss significant time with injury this season. It just is what it is.

The classic Panthers rookie WR for many years. Show one good year to get everyone hype, then immediately disappear. The current trend is just never show up in the first place. I actually miss the one year wonder guys.