kungfoodude

He doesn't have the elite athletic ability that someone like AR does, nor the arm strength. Definitely doesn't have Young's high level intangibles or field vision. He is a pretty good mix of above average abilities physically. His biggest issue is going to be the learning curve to learning an NFL offense. He isn't going to be able to use that RPO/Air Raidish style in the NFL and specifically run the ball as often as he did in college. His best years in college he was rushing the ball 100+ times. He isn't built for that or athletic enough for that kind of usage rate. So he has to really reinvent himself at this level. That's not a small undertaking. If it does succeed, it will take take.

History will tell that story but right now it matches the narrative of being one of the worst in recent memory. Ultimately that is a 5+ year discussion and not a year 1 discussion however.

We will probably never know if Corral was a Rhule pick. We probably will have a little bit of an idea moving forward.

I mean, would it have mattered with the Rhule staff? I would have agreed but it literally didn't matter.

Fair points, for sure. I do think he would get pushed down because there are a few of the middle round QB's that probably jump him from this class. Obviously, this will always be theoretical no matter where you stand on this issue. Entirely different league, FO's, draft classes, etc. I largely discount college staff analysis because they usually don't have any focus whatsoever on NFL ability. They care if you are winning for them and in the context of college football. You might hear current ACC coaches talk about having to account for someone like Malik Cunningham when he is a player that has a much lower NFL outlook. Same with Stetson Bennett. Boy he looked good at Georgia, right? I bet he was on the lips of every SEC staffer. However he won't be on the lips of almost any NFL scout. That's why I discounted that. The college and NFL people have wholly different goals for the most part.

Aged like a fine milk!

The hindsight on the Rhule situation is fuging nauseating. The red flags look even worse in hindsight. "He was a short order cook, I was a short order cook. He was a Pittsburgh guy, I was a Pittsburgh guy." Meatballs, all the fuging used car salesman BS. This was the equivalent of meeting a guy at a random bar that you had great drunk talk with and then offering him a job when you were in a brown out.

This is really the ideal scenario. Especially if we can get a good top 10 rookie QB. The veteran removes a LITTLE bit of pressure on the rookie and Corral has zero pressure at all.

Purdy probably would have been a fuging disaster here. He had none of the on field talent nor the coaching talent around him.

It's fine to believe your evaluation but to just keep piling up ridiculous "proof" to support the reactionary position is what gets annoying quickly. If people think X prospect sucks/is great, fine. But at least leave the possibility that you might be wrong. That's where people lose me on players that are three years or less in the league. Look at Brown. Myself and others had started to lose all faith that he was going to pan out but he had a stellar year and might be on his way to being an anchor for our DL for a long time.

These people just love punishment. I am convinced of that. But this isn't new. Remember all the hot and bothered Will Grier threads. I assume this is always the same people doing this over and over but I don't care enough to sort through it all to find out.

That's the difference between TV bobbleheads/internet draftniks and actual NFL front offices/scouts. That's why you see guys slide every year that most mock drafters have rated highly or ESPN dildoes hype to the nth degree. That is a small and not very NFL relevant portion of the information that fans can access. Also, it would be very foolish to be claiming Howell as an NFL success with literally next to no NFL experience at all. That's a very, very, VERY TBD situation, especially considering the mess in DC. Similarly, although I have serious doubts about Corral's ability to be much more than a 2nd or 3rd string QB, his story isn't even close to being written. He really is basically a rookie this season. Not in the idiot-Darnold fanboy sense, but in reality. He was out all year on IR and he had a single training camp with a bunch of completely unqualified or below average coaches around him. He is still raw clay. But.....that said....unlike the Corral acolytes, I am not banking the 2023 season on a lump of clay. If he develops, it will be on a timeline that is very unlikely to include significant playing time in 2023. And, that's the way it should be for someone with his steep learning curve. That's what might give him an outside chance to make something of himself in the NFL.

You are basically making my argument back to me.

This is the very classic example of taking college football and trying to make it the NFL. TBH, no one cares what an SEC West staff member thinks about Matt Corral. He was already evaluated by the entirety of the NFL and passed on by most of the league 2+ times in the draft. That doesn’t mean he will fail but it does mean is a very, very, VERY clearly viewed has having a lower value than Young/Stroud. TBD on Levis/AR but I would imagine they also get drafted(in 2023) above Corral's position in the 2022 draft. I get that we want to see our picks do well, I get that. But we can't turn off all logic and reason when we look at these players.

I think largely weak because it seems pretty top heavy. After Young/Stroud there is a pretty big gap to AR/Levis and then another drop off to the rest of the group. Plus, look at the Senior Bowl group, they were atrocious.

Probably 4th-5th round. This is a weak class but not nearly as weak as the 2022 class.

To be fair, the NFL has largely deemed him terrible based on his recent employment history. Also, I suspect you won't see him appear as an OC again in the NFL.

The actual statistics are as follows(career, also threw in a few other QB's mentioned in this thread): Garoppolo 0.702 Bridgewater 0.508 Carr 0.445 Darnold 0.382 Brissett 0.375 Minshew 0.333 A little surprised to see Brissett actually trailing Darnold but I had forgotten about the 4-11 season he had with the Colts in 2017. For reference, the guy we always remember as the "best backup QB in the NFL" Derek Anderson had a .500 career record as a starter for Carolina and a .408 career record as an NFL starter. Maybe we don't want Brissett or Minshew in that case, as they really don't have greater success than Darnold despite being far better QB's. In the end, although Darnold is easily the worst player on that list, the results are what actually matters. Floating higher than the sinking turd doesn't make you less of a turd. Definitely something to think about.

It depends on how you want to lose, I guess. If you want to lose most of your games, Darnold is your guy. He is going to absolutely lead you to a sub-.500 record. Proven commodity in that regard. Shouldn't really matter how good or bad the team is around him, those will be the results. If you want to be around .500 or possibly a little better, Teddy and Jacoby can get you there. They just need a team around them to support a 9+ win season.

We have no idea what they will do at this point. Lots of options. I am not 100% sure if they have even decided to heavily pursue a QB in the draft. That will change your plans dramatically.

Actually, Bridgewater is discount Brissett. If you look at their pay recently, Brissett would cost more money. The difference between Brissett/Bridgewater is that they can run your offense in an average manner, nothing spectacular. Darnold needs an offense tailored specifically to tale the ball out of his hands, because the more you lean on him, the more he is going to fug up. He also needs it to be very simple because he is not capable of reading the field as well as either of the other two QB's. Darnold's "magic" has been maybe 1-3 games in his entire career. By any statistical measure, that would be a pretty obvious outlier.

Brissett is ideal because he takes care of the ball and he will usually not LOSE you games. Bridgewater, same thing. Minshew I would be fine with but he was also the QB of arguably the best roster in the NFL this season and couldn't win a game. That’s not good. Jimmy G would be great but not likely to be in a reasonable price range. Carr is ideal but, again, not likely to be cheap.

He isn't a bridge over troubled waters. He's a bridge with a foundation that is about to completely collapse. It's unreal that people cannot see that. This isn't ground breaking news to most NFL observers but it seems to be for a portion of our fanbase.

Being tough is great, being injury prone is not.

We could take a flier on him in the 7th even if we did go QB early. We only have one QB under contract currently. Sign a veteran and let the rest of them battle it out for roster spots. You need backup QB's in the NFL too.