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I highly doubt that would show any correlation to NFL success either. You are aware that the SAT and ACT are also poor predictors of college success, right? This shouldn't be super stunning news that a tool like the Wonderlic has zero relevance.

I mean it actually didn't show any correlation at all. This was studied multiple times and Wonderlic scores had no correlation to NFL success. It's just a bad tool for anything to do with the NFL. I am not inventing this. This was studied multiple times and all the conclusions were the same.

I think the biggest reason they are doing away with it is that it didn't show a strong correlation to NFL success(or lack thereof). You can easily enough figure out if a player is going to be the kind of "smart" you need by breaking down film with them or having them explain plays or schemes in an interview.

I think we should hammer out the period of time and also the measures we will use. I suggest length of rookie contract, so 3 or 4 years considering most won't be first rounders. Pick 3 or 4 as the mark. For Metrics, I suggest PFR's Career AV, Total YPG(passing and rushing), Total TD's Per Game(passing and rushing), Total TO's per game(passing and rushing), Completion Percentage, QB Record(PFR stat) and Games Started. This is a good combination of various measures of success and adds up to an odd number of categories, which will help avoid a push. The wager being that Howell WILL NOT lead more of these categories than he leads. Debate any changes to these metrics now, then we can get into the wager amount itself.

I think 1 or 2 will go in the first. I think the league is going to show they aren't enthusiastic about this crop.

I will bet with you on Howell. My original bet offered(to LG) was Howell versus the field. We can discuss metrics and timeline but I am willing to wager a substantial amount.

I think that we may find out teams aren't desperate enough to take these guys in the first. TBD. If that is the case, the league said what some here refuse to believe, this is a bad QB class.

It would be pretty funny to see only 1 QB go in the 1st.

Hopefully not Watson's.

All those mechanical issues are why I would steer clear of him. He didn't clean up any of that headed into this season, so I question if he has the ability(or motovation) to fix that stuff. Ridder is the same way. His throwing mechanic flaws are going to be difficult to unwind. Neither of those guys are going to be able to get away with that at the NFL level.

Yeah. If you use outliers as the basis for your decisions, you aren't going to be very successful. Actually sounds like someone we know...

I think those box type safties have taken a lot of lumps in the last few seasons, both through the draft and in free agency. If you are a big safety, you need at least average coverage ability or you are more of a hindrance than a help.

Tyrod Taylor would be a pretty good scenario for him, IMO. He can eventually get to that with some development. I think the guy being overrated the most by pundits is Willis. I realize he is leaps and bounds better skill wise than any other QB in this draft but his ability to read defenses and throw with anticipation is pretty bad. I don't know if he is easily gonna be able to accomplish that.

Remember who made the signing. Could very easily be a blessing in disguise.

Bradbury was another smaller, very athletic guy. Interesting to see Linderbaum fall. Bradbury being an example of why you don't draft a center in the 1st round.

The IOL Prospects are not as you expect... Word is that there are zero teams that have a 1st Round grade on Linderbaum Both Cole Strange and Cam Jurgens has ascended during the process. Much higher on boards than perceived. Source: 2022 NFL Draft News and Rumors: Will the Green Bay Packers finally draft a wide receiver? (profootballnetwork.com) Kyle Hamilton Free Fall? Per Pauline and a few others as reported this week, sounds like Hamilton may fall anywhere between 15-20 (maybe further?) Packers draft rumors: Could Kyle Hamilton fall into Green Bay's range? (lombardiave.com) Garrett Wilson Top-5 Prospect? Per Jordan Schultz: "Wilson, according to one GM I spoke with, is one of the best receivers I've evaluated over the past five years. Speed, route-running, hands, can break the game open at any time." *Should note that every team went to his pro day. Trade-Likely Teams: DENVER, Carolina, Seattle, Minny, Philly & LAC This is per my SF FO ties (take it or leave it) I suspected Hamilton might fall. Linderbaum falling to the second is very interesting. Interested to see if that happens.

Losing for as long as we have will tend to produce that kind of attitude.

Yeah, we definitely cannot chalk him up as a hit quite yet. I will say his work ethic seems to be very high caliber, so that bodes very well for him(and us).

Yeah well people were also trying to justify Elflein and Erving last offseason too. I will believe Bozeman and Colbert are what we need when they show it on Sundays. That's pretty much my general opinion of our talent evaluation at this point. I was cautiously optimistic when these guys were first fired and even after the first season. They lost me since then. They have to prove this poo on the field.

Robby....eh. Debatable. His first year was quite good, I will give you that. Luvu is a nice addition but is he really a core guy or a good depth guy? Hartfield is basically a JAG. Not a bad player but he could be replaced by any number of free agents. You are kind of making my point, even if you include Robby, the free agent signings haven't done much to bolster what was the least talented roster in the NFL(post 2019 teardown).

Yes. But you never did answer that question. What are the free agents that we have hit on outside Reddick? It's largely been a bunch of whiffs. Hence why I said I can't get excited yet about the guys you are referencing that we signed.

I am not convinced there are adults in the room and definitely not convinced that they are calling the shots. I am not part of the "Fitterer is a genius" cult.

Yeah, I would be fine with him as a later round pick. Our QB room is absolute ass.

Zappe's ceiling is Chad Pennington.

I somewhat suspected that Neal wasn't universally loved as a high caliber prospect.