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yes, but how much improvement do you really get from Bryce Young....improving the areas that aren't his go to areas? Hell, if I had it my way, I'd move Johnson into a lot of slot work. Not full time but I'd have to get other blood in there. He would get the ball. Think keeping him happy is key to keeping him productive. He wants the ball. And if happy, he can do all Theilen does but better....outside of his hands. Theilen does have him beat there.

I'm not actually lobbying for Renfrow. He was just an example of how different WRs are and how different roles carry different weight pending the QB/O. Yes, in terms of Sanders we are stuck with him. But the point then still remains going into this season. and I differ in how Thielen is viewed. Slot WR is just too important for Bryce given how he plays. Theilen while a good overall WR, is too limited in the quick pass game and offers none of the upside Bryce really needs. He struggles to get open quick and has almost no YAC threat. A glorified sure handed TE at this stage. Which Bryce needs but at the actual TE spot. But yeah, if you throw at him 120 times he is good enough to have yards on the stat sheet. Theilen did that last year. Slot WR and rec RB in some offenses and for some QBs aren't that important of roles. I just think they are huge roles for Bryce Young. TE play too. I think for Bryce Young the vertical threats are less important. More important for others. I think the vertical threats matter in Canales O. A lot. So I'm still where I was last year. The QB doesn't fit. Which I am fine with. But it's hard not to talk about it given we just mortgaged the short term on Bryce. so I question the leadership/vision. Which keeps coming back to Tepper. I mean, let's see if parts that don't really work, work together. And if they don't? Seems like we should be trying to put parts that work together, together.

clearly, I don't. Johnson and Renfrow have really nothing to do with each other. Theilen and Renfrow don't really either. Yeah, an old Renfrow wouldn't need to see the field much. Heck, a young one is very dependent on the scheme/O. Renfrow is 100% a niche role player in the NFL. He is only going to fit and be of real use for a small handful of teams/QBs. You need the right role players around Bryce. Take RB. I beat the drum all last offseason that Hubbard/Sanders were a horrible duo last year to pair with him because they weren't natural pass catchers. Two early down runners. Bryce 100% needs a rec RB. You don't need CMC or do nothing lol. Lots of SOLID niche 3rd down types. We opted to bring in one of the worst in the game in that role in Sanders lol.

just go with the assumption for a minute Bryce Young is naturally a small ball QB....because that's where I am We have a chunk pass play O that isn't actually inventive (based on what we know/seen of Canales). In terms of the pass game weapons that Bryce naturally would lean to....we have a painfully slow slot WR. We should open the season with an early down runner a RB. Weak TE play. So just like last year, those big 3 positions for a small ball QB remain weak. Now we do have Johnson on the outside who is an improvement over Chark. But if I am an opposing D I'm sitting on that slant and cross route all game every game until Bryce/Johnson can consistently beat me elsewhere. Teams sat on the pass game because Bryce couldn't prove to do anything else that was costly. And he is a bit of a wildcard too. I mean, that's why he is here. XL IMO, I put to the side for a minute in terms of opening up the year and being a big aid to Bryce. That doesn't seem like a good setup to see if Bryce really has it. Seems just like another bad fit/design for Bryce (if you believe he is suited for the quick pass, which I do)

again, a creative quick pass O. That prioritizes the weapons that excel in it. No argument exists that you need the best positional players in the game to make that work. No argument is made he needs prime D. Adams. Hell, Bryce probably would benefit more from Hunter Renfrow. But you need the scheme/play calling. Rookie Bryce was given a predictable play-caller that doesn't run a scheme that fits Bryce, a slow slot WR, an early down RB, and whack TE play. I said before the start of last season he was being setup to fail. The league was going to sit on our pass game. We didn't have the weapons for him to dish out to. No one liked that then. No one likes it now. But it's the same thoughts and reasoning.

take a Cam Newton, he came into the NFL and basically we built a Cam-centric O around him. Doesn't mean he would never sniff some "traditional play". He did. Exceptions are that. And the minority. It would be like giving Cam Newton as a rookie prime Wes Welker and saying Cam should be able to work with that in some quick hitter scheme ripping of Tom Brady. That's a bad marriage from the jump if that's what the coach asks. That wasn't what Cam was going to be able to do coming in. IMO, Bryce was always going to need that. Which for Bryce was going to be living in the gun in a creative quick pass O.....with strong rec RB, slot WR, and TE play. Sure you need outside guys to keep stuff honest. But he has never a proven puzzle piece of that going into a season to help develop him. Got some rookies this year. And rookies are always a crap shoot. I mean, I'm just exactly at the same place I was this time last year. Bryce and the Panthers don't seem to be a great fit. And I think that is largely the fault of the team that drafted him.

I mean, I think we all acknowledge Bryce Young is a smart kid. I don't think I have ever even heard the most negative Bryce poster question stuff like this. It's just can Bryce make the throws needed in said O.

well, we know what every offense Canales has been involved with has looked like in the pass game.....and we know what his first big investment was (XL) 100% matches up with that. Generally, the safe assumption in the NFL, is guys will keep being what they have proven to be. So I expect the O to be reliant on the deep chunk pass plays paired up with a stubborn run. I frankly like a lot about Bryce. I like a lot about Canales. I don't love them paired up.

Bryce is a unicorn. So he isn't the 90% of QBs. I guess that remains my central point. I'm not even saying we should at this point. I'm just saying that largely made drafting him #1 overall, pointless. We drafted a unique QB we never attempted to cater and build around. That's an org creating things that don't work and fit.... and aren't going to work. So it's hard to get on board with Bryce....when the org was never committed to it working.

I do think there are limitations of Bryce in a traditional pro pocket. I don't think putting Bryce under C and asking him to play a simplistic traditional role is a fix for him. We might squeak out a win we didn't last year but that's not developing him to reach whatever ceiling he has I think he is going to have to be in the shotgun playing a little untraditional....you just need the weapon and scheme to make him dangerous. He is a unicorn of sorts. It's like asking Cam Newton to play the game as Peyton Manning did as a rookie. You are going to have a bad time. Cam wouldn't' of been rookie of the year. He would have been benched. We drafted a unique QB....and nothing about our HC hires and offensive visions say we as an organization get that. I don't have a Bryce issue. I think our org is clueless under Tepper and I think Tepper is creating bad marriages that don't work.

Everyone is different. Think Bryce’s size creates his bad footwork. Think Cam’s arm and gifts created his. So essentially a surplus of physical gifts and a lack both can both lead to bad footwork.

hell, I would do a lot more than that lol. I'm on the freaking sidelines telling Ron Rivera to go for it or he is fired.

I'm old and dumb though. How can I use that on the board lol

the internet has been purged of the Matt Rhule shrug gif. WTH.

I think at this point, you got to just assume Tepper is going to fall somewhere between Jerry Richardson and Jerry Jones. He has 2 pro teams....and he clearly isn't going to sit back and let things just playout like you saw Richardson do IMO. NFL - 4 HCs - 1 has logged more than 1 season under him to date MLS - 3 HCs -0 have logged more than 1 season under him to date I think the bar should be, can Tepper just go a season and not throw a drink of opposing fans or fire someone in season. Baby steps.

I mean, his 2nd soccer coach made the playoffs in year 2 of Charlotte FC's existence....and was fired after 1 season as HC.

I mean, he was awesome for the entirety of his rookie contract. That's really all you should be looking for at that spot.

I would assume the Todd Gurley reach out is probably just as much about the ACL as anything. Think Gurley had the ACL at almost an identical time of his college season I believe. Gurley went on to be OROY despite not being ready at the start of the year.

Pretty sure it's just a quirky angle where his bicep is turned over... Because when you look at his other arm in the same picture. It's very much a standard Bryce arm.

maybe I can help clarify as it has gotten confusing. I think I got a handle on where it turned. I'd rank them best guess 1. Juan 2. Bryce 3. Dwayne Jarrett 4. Julius Peppers

sure, but that's equating all 32 owners as doing the same thing in terms of decisions of a roster. Which we know isn't true. We know some owners flat out have overruled GMs/HCs on big picks. Now, we don't know Tepper did that. I'm making a guess/assumption that the reporting was correct....and he trumped others inhouse.

I mean, when you got several legit insider reporters saying the same thing....I tend to buy into the disagreement existing. I can see Tepper, the owner of a struggling franchise suffering from horrific PR and being clowned on.....making an executive decision to hopefully change the discourse/narrative. I mean, that's why they went up to #1 overall despite not doing it for a player. Bryce had the best resume and believed to be the "safest" pick. Tepper has been in Charlotte has owned pro teams for what 5 seasons....and has now employed 7 different head coaches across his teams not counting interims? I mean, coaches come and go. Why would Tepper let a coach make his #1 overall franchise QB pick? He said the day he bought the team, that's when he would step in. For those type decisions.

a healthy Bosa is a pretty significant piece paired with Mack. Given how early that game is and state of both offenses.....I think a defense is going to win that game for one of the teams. Really amazed how they tore that O down so quick around Herbert.

Problem for Bryce and the O.....is opposing defenses sit on the pass game and play him as dink and dunk QB. They cheat on how they play the WRs and routes. I don't think things are going to change for Bryce until he can threaten a defense to back off how they play him. Now that wasn't all Bryce's fault last year. But I think it's fair to say he had a healthy role in that problem. Frank put gas on that fire with his repetitive and predictable nonsense. Which was always a Frank issue. Exaggerated issue last year with Frank.

Same reason they moved up to #1 despite not doing so at the time for a specific player. Tepper does what he wants with his team. Tepper picked Bryce. Nothing says Frank wanted to do this experiment in Carolina with a unicorn rookie QB. I still think the reporting was true, there was a big internal split. Tepper won. Same time it was reported they were divided, Frank world people were on TV pimping hard for CJ and that Frank simply had a type for his O. CJ was the best fit of the big 3 for Frank. I think drafting Bryce was fine. But then they shouldn't of hired Frank. I think Frank would have been an okay Fox/Ron type hire...if they gave him what he wanted.