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It doesn’t change anything. St Pierre was straight off the couch, in bad physical shape vs a top notch D….and generated bigger plays and more offense. The picks don’t change that. Playing St Pierre was an embarrassment. Bryce Young wasn’t better than that today. We had 40 total passing yards on the day and got shutout vs a team that hasn’t won in a long time.

If memory serves….he messed his arm up throwing the deep one to Gettis. He was in no shape to be playing a NFL game and still did more vs a way better D

Nah. St Pierre threw for 170 and a TD straight off the couch vs one of the top defenses in the NFL. St Pierre also had an 88 yard deep TD. Bryce in his career hasn’t hit one yet. Today’s O was more pathetic.

I think this is 100% the worst team we have ever fielded. The 1 win teams beat this team and I don’t think it would be tight

No one comes up a yard short on pass downs as good as the Panthers.

jags don’t have a bottom run D….which is all that matters when you play the Panthers. Easy to play coverage when we only threaten 20 yards and you got the dogs to play the run

Jeff Otah watching this and is like….I played more than this dude.

Welp, only a matter of time. Hope he is already. But now the Dalton folks are about to see how little difference he makes. I still say he was a hair from disaster over and over vs Seattle. OL, scheme and WRs just aren’t good enough for any QB.

GB has the 30th ranked run D. That’s their real achillies heal. 30th in yards allowed per game, 26th in yards per attempt, 28th in 1st downs allowed, etc. Think part of their problem last week was they were over fixated on trying to stop the run (because that’s our focus now) with their weak run defense. Which helped open up the pass attack for us. Jags pass D hasn’t been great but they likely don’t have to invest the same energy to address our run game concerns. I think our D will have to work us this game. Any team that can play the run is a problem for us IMO

this guy out for the 2nd day in a row. Troy Hill also out for the 2nd day in a row.

I just look at how they matchup vs us. A tough D for one team isn't as tough for another team. Depends what you do and what they do. Jags can play the run. They take the ball away (top 5) and can apply pressure to the QB. That's not a good matchup for us. I think we had an edge last week because GB sucks vs the run. They knew we were going to go there. They overcompensated because of it. They are at there worst recently.....because they have played a bunch of winning teams. You got to go back like 7 weeks to find a team with a losing record and they thrashed them.

yep, and it's glaring even in the short term. In season. It matters. Rhule to Wilks McDaniels to Antonio Pierce and that's short term. Real culture is when it seeps into the players year over year. And the real leadership becomes in house as a byproduct of what coaches like them install.

Yeah, people are taking this leader of men tagline and distorting things a bit though. I'm talking locker room and culture. Josh McDaniel knows a lot more about modern day offense than those 2. Josh McDaniel is a joke coach overall compared to folks like Ron/Fox. You know who is a culture/locker room guy? The guy that replaced McDaniels in season. It matters. Saw the same thing here with Wilks taking over from Rhule. And that just a tiny window of it applying. Years of it back to back matters. Ron is everyone favorite whipping boy but I'd argue Ron embraced playing to people strengths. I think his biggest issue was game management and GM/incomplete rosters. Cam Newton wasn't going to be Cam Newton everywhere. People blast Ron for catering to Cam's strengths. But Ron created an environment where that was encouraged and watered. I'd say the majority of NFL coaches would have stunted Cam Newton's success and tried to "fix him". He wouldn't of been special. And his career in reality wasn't cut short by "running him into the ground". Cam can still do that today. Ron also had a lot of talent that wasn't inherited. Cam became league MVP. Luke became DPOY. Greg Olsen became a top tier TE. Guys like Norman, Star, etc. developed into top guys at their position. I think more than anything....the Ron and Fox era should be mostly defined by the lack of a good GM being paired with them. They were strong defensive minded HCs and coached that way. Good culture. Tough teams. Not great X and O guys offensively but that's not what they were. Not really me preference but it wasn't a losing formula. I think the lack of pairing them with a good GM was the real blunder.

Jags are one the best in the NFL at 2 things. Applying QB pressure and taking the ball away. Even when our offense is "working" like last week...it's pretty painful looking. Which means it's going to be hard for them to replicate success. Maybe I'm wrong. I just got no confidence they can hold up vs a problematic defensive front. Lot of it is just the O itself. Lot remains easy on a D IMO. There still isn't a lot of stress. Only game weren't essentially playing 20 yards was the Saints game and it went very bad.

it will be interesting to see how the McDaniel's style plays out over a period of time though. Especially as more time goes by on his O approach and film is out there. I mean, it's pretty cool to watch them vs bad teams. Especially with Hill. But I wonder how his team looks over the long term and if what he has sells during the highs and lows over time. He is sort of a unicorn at this level. Matt Rhule was never a leader of men type coach. I don't care what the PR was. At no point does he have that on his resume.

Doesn't help 89 that his career really spilled into 2 different eras. Lot of WRs that he played with essentially played their entire career in the true passing era. A featured WR in that era should just have better stats no matter how you look at it.

largely. I'd argue QB still matters more than your HC. It's the most important puzzle piece.

yeah, if Peppers doesn't make it this first trip......then first ballot HOFers don't really exist and it's all politics.

I don't disagree, that's why I included the GM hire with the HC. Every org needs that in house stuff. It matters. It's a huge weakness for us. It's got to come from somewhere in the future for us. Just hiring a some young hot shot HC isn't some auto fix the mess Tepper has created in Carolina.

Peppers makes the cut in his first run. Gates is the other first timer making the cut. Absent is our very own 89.....despite a rather lengthy WR group making the cut. Jared Allen makes the cut again and has Panther ties. Got to think Peppers is going to keep him from advancing out of this finalist round. Finalists for Pro Football Hall of Fame Class of 2024 revealed (nfl.com) WRs making the cut: Holt, Wayne, Andre Johnson, and Hester*. Hester obviously largely as a returner. Andre Johnson I think is the one I take biggest issue with. I think 89 was better than all of them but Johnson doesn't have a ring as a the default reason of why he would be in ahead of 89. Got to think this is the window 89 likely pays for being an a-hole and we are seeing Johnson making the finals for the 2nd year in a row.

I just think our problems are still our problems. Confidence isn't going to fix the fact our O really can't survive vs a tough D front. I mean, I think Chark/Bryce combo probably has a little more confidence. Maybe he is willing to put it out there more for him. But I think the last 2 weeks have made people forget how bad some of our issues really are. It's still football though. Jags could implode offensively with a hurt QB and the whole 3 phases thing play out. With our D making some big plays. I just don't have confidence this team can beat anyone. It's a still a very predictable and bad game we are playing on O.

in house culture, work environment, accountability is a real thing though that matters. I think ours is weak and has a lot to do with our hires at HC and GM. lot of good X and O guys have proven to be weak in that area. I think you got to have both from top.

I mean, it should be a prerequisite that all coaches have. But they don't. We have seen that here. and it's not just about "leading" and someone that people will listen to. it about building a proper culture in house. And that's not a default either all hires have. Lot of bad coaches. Lot of guys that got no clue what a successful NFL culture is and looks like. Lot of guys try to rip off others and that doesn't work either. How many guys have attempted to ripoff Belichick's Patriot way for example. But some of the culture is GM related. It's not just talent. You got to add the right talent and pieces. You can't have 53 DJ Moore personality types. You can't have 53 Steve Smith personality types. We have really blundered in that department of late. What players make up our present day culture? Generally folks will just name the best players and assume they lead the right way from within. A good coach can help the right players develop. Not just talking on the field. I think that has been a huge issue for us of late too.

I'd argue the opposite. An established team needs someone to put them over the top with great Xs and Os, playing calling, etc. Which is what we needed coming off Ron/Fox. A dumpster fire needs a leader of men to right the ship. Build a respectable culture/locker room. We have gone backwards under Tepper.

when we were ready to move on from Ron Rivera....I wanted a Ben Johnson type. That's what the NFL now is. However, given what Tepper has done to the franchise post Ron.....we now are in need of a Fox/Ron type once again IMO. We are a dumpster fire.