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Fitt paid him too much for him to go anywhere. He would be a 7 mill dead cap hit.

You leaving out Ian Thomas. He beats both those guys out. Arnold isn’t great but he is better than the majority of our TE roster.

Not these cuts, but there likely will be guys cut early this week that could improve rosters. Some teams are deep at spots. Some trying to figure out to roll with developing youth over aging vets. You can sometimes find some rental vet bandaids in the final cuts or legit raw talent.

Ian Thomas would be a 7 million dead cap hit Fitt-magic

I don’t think many people are doubting him for the most part. Think they doubt what is around him more than anything.

In fairness, a decent % of people in NFL front offices don’t belong either. NFL is slammed full of stupid just like every other corner of life. Dumb is everywhere.

Didn’t realize John Fox was still hanging around.

I don’t know why they gave Ian Thomas a contract extension last year. We should have moved on from him.

Andy Dalton trying to kill our small handful of healthy WRs

These aren’t the Lions starters

Is this the Lions starting D or backups?

Cousins looked pretty stupid in Washington behind RGIII. Until it wasn't. I mean, you do have a point there.

You essentially go from trying to hide your QB to trying to groom your #1 overall pick that the O will go through. OL has a different job. A harder job. They don't want to hide Bryce Young. a run heavy scheme (vs a lot of bad run defense) and trying to make the game not about your QB isn't really an ideal scenario to really judge how good an OL is in today's NFL.

I think we could get a late round pick potentially from a team that was interested in him during his draft year. I mean, he got hurt last preseason so his stock really hasn't changed that much. And I would suspect teams know that neither Rhule or Frank has really done anything with him. Frank rightfully focused on Young and before his injury it was pretty documented Rhule's time was on his bad vets. Corral likely wants out. I'd take a 7th rounder for him.

probably, and then factor in the schedule....it sort of sets up for a slow start for rookie QB, new team, etc. Before the bye 4 of the 6 are on the road. 4 of the 6 had winning record and all return their QBs. The 2 are our divisional games but the standard divisional factor probably doesn't really apply there given the newness of the teams involved.

not sure about that in the year 2023

we hope the Panthers come out how. And it's going to be how.

my issue with the over top stuff or extreme optimism isn't new. It's not unique to this squad. That's just not what I do. It is what it is. Yes, he called plays in SD and Indy. That's it. 2 spots. And the general critique of him as playcaller in both places (all the places) was the same one. And largely the praise too. It's 2023, we hired a young dude from an exciting coaching tree as our OC. Frank should let him do his job and grow. There are very few HCs that should be calling plays. Frank should be the HC. Brown should be the OC. Which means he should call the plays. That's a pretty moderate position you are trying to pitch as the yin to the overhyping yang.

Cam was a unicorn. Richardson didn’t look like him in college. Definitely not last night either

Week 1 is also the weirdest week in the NFL. Bad teams fool people. Good teams look bad. It’s the one week I would never wager on. however, the overall starts have been slow. 3-4-1 3-5 5-3 5-3 2-6 Very Fox/Ron ish. Gets it going on the backend most of his time. Wasn’t afforded that opportunity in 22 though.

You want me to find credible sources claiming this staff is bad….when I don’t think that nor have I once posted such? I mean, that’s when you know people aren’t actually reading what others are saying. Or are just intentionally dishonest with projection. The over the top rhetoric is all I contest. Staffing, Young expectations, team, etc. I’ve claimed this staff is vastly better than what we have had here. I’ve said we are on a good track/path. There are tons of post that back that. Not a single one that I claimed the staff was bad. Only time I have used the word bad was in calling Frank Reich as a playcaller bad. Which that has been the critique of him. Every where he has done it. And I generally highlight his strengths are documented elsewhere when I say that.

Everyone is different. Cam got a crazy amount more than Bryce. He practiced too. Even the best QBs in the NFL like Mahomes and Allen have gotten more to date. Yet some see virtually nothing to an extent, I do wonder if his exposure has been dictated and cut short by the OLs play. Whatever they wanted to test out hasn’t gone the best for the OL. I was at the first game. Hell, I was sort of ready to sit Bryce after his first snap. He got smashed on it.

HC, OC and DC are the most weighted positions. And by those measures we are just an average staff. And frankly, there is nothing wrong with that. I don’t think Capers and Caldwell necessarily make us anything. They are old. Yeah, they got experience but they are different era guys. And even one of the articles you posted acknowledged that signing all these checks to bring all this experience on a paper might be counter productive. But they don’t rocket us up to tops of the league IMO. I just don’t see folks outside of Carolina viewing them as highly. And I don’t put tons of weight on writers doing what writers do right when it was assembled.

I mean, order does sort of matter. So we are better coached than the Steelers, Patriots, Ravens, Seahawks etc? None of them even made your list that is in no particular order. So frankly, even HOF caliber HCs aren't enough to get staffs into your top 10. Frank isn't a top 10 HC by himself stacked up vs other HCs. So he would initially start on the outside of a top 10 list and a first year OC that isn't calling plays and a DC with one year of experience is rocketing his staff up the charts somewhere to an undisclosed position?

Cool. Give me your top 5 staffs in the NFL. Heck do a top 10 if you prefer. Just list the ones that are better. You can stop when you get to the Panthers. Plenty of people here have talked about the comical overhyping of everything post Rhule around here. Including this best in NFL coaching staff. Finding articles saying they hired a bunch of experience is just that. Which I acknowledged. It's also vastly better than Rhule's. Being a massive upgrade over Rhule doesn't make it a top staff in the NFL. Dom Capers and Jim Caldwell being consultants don't make this one of the best staffs in the NFL. It means you can write articles about the years in the league accounted for here. They are 70 year olds. Tepper just did a 180 to the extreme post Rhule. And Frank is stepping on the young talents toes by doing the playcalling. Which he isn't very good at to date in the NFL. His strengths are elsewhere.