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When you accurately project Bryce as a cherry picked QB only counting Denver forward….its still bottom half of the league.

Teddy had Mike Davis in reality. Not CMC

I challenge someone to double check that math. They math ain’t mathing exactly plus they did some deceptive things with his they paint It edit - Nevermind, I’m late and people caught it all

We could expand to 64. That way all SEC and BIG10 teams get in. All the teams that don’t make the first playoff end their programs forever. Next year field shrinks to 62, and shrinks by 2 every following year. Don’t make it, cancel your program from existence. Eventually we are left with 1 team. The true national champion of college football.

Yep. Auto byes wreck the logic. 12 - Clemson 11 - ASU 10 - Boise State 9 - Indiana 8 - Tenn 7 - OSU 6- ND 5 - PSU those are the teams that should of played first round. I mean all you have to do in theory was have ASU have a worse record while winning their conference (everything else being the same) and suddenly they would have been forced to give #12 Clemson a first round bye. Makes no sense. Imagine that playing out. Conference titles should count in terms of wins and losses that impact ranking of the 12 but the byes just don’t make sense

Well, we just paid big money to Hubbard. So that checks that box. That’s the big investment in the backfield equation. The talk is how to round out the backfield now. so look at all the teams you named…and just look at the last draft… Just the 2024 Draft Packers -3rd round RB Eagles - 4th round RB Bills - 4th round RB Detriot - 4th round RB Ravens - 5th round RB Denver - 5th round RB my position is you overall should just draft RBs. Steadily. Yes. And when you are paying a RB top 10 money (which we are)….100% build the rest of the backfield in drafts. I don’t believe in putting big money in RBs. Look at the last 2 decades of the NFL. Who has the rings? QBs. Not RBs. How many rings does mediocre KC have? How many did Brady have? That’s the last 2 decades of the NFL. I think the best investment is the pass game and defending it.

drafting a RB in round 5 affords you more cap to go get legit help for the D. The Gus Edwards, Zack Moss tier of RBs this past offseason is 10x the guaranteed money of a 5th round draft pick.

CJ Stroud will have back to back division titles, back to back playoff appearances, will have finished his first 2 seasons 8th and 11th in passing yards. TD is a Panther employee now.

I mean, there just isn't a comparable that exists for Bryce Young. It's the NFL. Best I could manage.

That might just be semantics though and us saying close to the same thing. Cam Newton got the most out of Philly Brown. I don't think most lesser QBs get that out of Philly. A lot of getting the most out of Philly was the stress Cam uniquely put on a defense. I don't consider Young dangerous when the play breaks down. I think he is just underrated or surprising when it does given everything you see. Brock is a bit like that too in reality. but I don't disagree with your 2015 Cam take. That's why I put it on Fitterer....because that is what he sold in a different package/language. Cam allowed you skimp on the OL, WR, etc. He sold the same thing for Bryce.

Hubbard, Sanders and a Mafah type would all be too similar IMO. All ideally early down rushers. Yes, I know they all can catch. But that's not any of their games.

The BIGGEST fail IMO was idiot Scott Fitterer's vision that Bryce Young was Cam Newton. Which is the reality of it. He sold it as a point guard but it's the same logic. That Bryce Young would be able to mask inefficiencies and make everyone on O better. In reality it's the polar opposite. Bryce is more a Brock Purdy. You give him weapons to distribute the ball to and then those weapons are the O. But it's not Brock Purdy making them weapons. They just are weapons. And Brock gets them the ball. It works off of the efficiency of Brock to just do a job. I think Bryce Young will be whatever his weapons are. We have below average weapons. We have a below average O. That's not true with all QBs. Some QBs can and do raise the bar by being the QB.

I don't think they did nothing and didn't try. I think KB was trying. I just don't think he was good. By the time they actually started pairing up Cam with some good talent his body was shot and the window closed. CMC, Samuel, Moore, etc. That's trying and it working. But Cam was done. But I always thought the best think you could do for Cam Newton was give him a good D first and foremost. They largely did it. Cam was basically the PG mindset come to life. Only he wasn't a point guard. He was a one man playmaker and they took advantage of that, that he could make everyone around him better.

I thought 2014-17 was pretty weak. But I never thought KB was ever actually good. Just thought he was a large bodied JAG that was a product of being an over targeted WR his 1 year. He was almost top 5 in the NFL in targets and managed to squeak 5 yards over 1k. Fun fact, if you gave XL the same target share....he would be KB.

We talking 5th round we can spend all the higher picks where the good defensive prospects are and more importantly we can go into FA and spend money on defensive players (and not on FA RBs)

He was a 2nd round pick. But a team can probably have him in FA for a couple million in guaranteed next year. the 5th round RB Denver added last year is only 300k in guaranteed. That’s why you draft a RB. You then go spend the actual money elsewhere. You don’t need to add FA RBs. Cost is too high. Value too good in the 5th-ish round for RBs. LITERAL peanuts in cost for good players see Hubbard. He was a peanut RB. No cost for years. And a good player. Math is just good in that mid to late area and it’s not close to the undrafted guys. 5th rounders are studs at power 5 programs (that’s not comparable to undrafted who weren’t studs at that level of play)

let me try one other way, name a RB that represents the type player you would rather add in FA then.

RB in the draft comes with higher potential and is likely cheaper. Especially if he turns out to be good and you want to keep him around. Money/cap can go to harder to find positions. position is devalued which makes RBs in that range have higher odds of actually becoming real NFL players vs other spots in that range. It’s just a good positional bargain in the draft.

He didn’t move the goal posts. You need to play multiple RBs in every single game you play. It’s not a backup in reality, it’s part of a RB committee. You need that in the NFL.

that’s not where teams find them

adding to this. coincidently, Hubbard and Henry had the exact same amount of receiving yards. Bryce Young 10000% has a need for a legit rec RB in the backfield since he arrived. He needs that RB to play w/ Hubbard. That's not Hubbard's game and he didn't produce as a receiver this year.

Bryce Young is our QB. We need a 1b for Hubbard. Even freaking Derrick Henry has a complimentary RB that plays in every single game. This isn't a backup QB type thing that never plays pending something bad doesn't happen.

Cam's MVP season was as meh OL, Stewart and Olsen.

That's why I am saying I think it people overall having different discussions. Some people are fixated on what Bryce is as a 2nd year QB coming off his horrific NFL start. Some are just talking about QB present day QB play. I mean if we are just discussing present day play at the QB position and what your guy is presently doing....what year they are doesn't really matter there does it?