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I think his placement on deep balls is more often than not, just bad. When it comes to downfield balls, Bryce generally makes life hard. You actually don't need a cannon for the vertical stuff on the sidelines. Some of the best deep throwers really are just well placed lobs. . Now the deep middle? Yeah, I like a strong arm. Bryce never really sets up a WR to go get it. If you get in position and beat your guy he is going to turn it into a 50/50 letting the defender contest it or make you have to worry about staying in bounds.

Every pass over 30 or more in his career has been incomplete if NexGen is correct. I don't think it is all on the coaches just not asking him enough.

I can't find an incompletion over 44 yards. And I can't find a completion over 28. Not saying they don't exist but NextGen doesn't have anything greater for either on his passing charts. Bryce probably could get it 50 but like most big throws he makes he isn't going to make it unless he pretty much has enough time to get set

Teams running prevent and giving a team yards for clock….is generally what goes down between the 20s. You can’t run prevent D on the goaline.

PJ Walker has a winning record as a starter

What did Parcells say…..he better walk on water? Well, he can’t. And if he can’t….well you need to move on quick. I think we already a clear a year late in that

Not the biggest fan of PFF grades long but they made an interesting point on their commentary this week Bryce Young is presently per them one the worst “deep passers in the NFL” this year. Which was the comeback narrative of being great at it. But PFF deep is actually intermediate. It’s 10 yards. During his comeback he was able to get off those intermediate passes because of the big shift defenses went running man and blitzing. where Bryce struggles the most to date is just being asked to stand in the pocket and throw into coverage. And really struggles on top of that if folks start disguising stuff. (This part is me….and his small stature and arm struggle facing that) so I would expect people just don’t give him man. Dial back the blitzing and just ask him to play into coverage with his arm.

Generally speaking, as bad as we are, we aren’t trailing by 24 the first time we touch the ball in the second half. and he finished how we started. Really bad

No, clearly I responded to your statement that no QB would have been successful. Which means you are actually opening up the door for us to think about much better QBs than a washed old Dalton (who as I mentioned, drastically outperformed Bryce in the one game glimpse). so I’m not even comparing him to Dalton. I’m looking at the narrative you put out about what it would have looked like with other QBs and yeah, it reasonable to assume others QBs would have had a much different season. * summary, you can’t actually dimiss Bryce’s rookie season. See this season as an example of why

Bryce Young averaged 179 pass yards per game as a rookie. we had a one game glimpse that season of the O without Bryce. An old washed Dalton threw for 361 yards (more than double the Bryce average). Pass game had a totally different feel. Nothing close to it with Bryce. I would think an actual good QB….would have been substantially more successful with Frank that could play the way his O asked.

now hear me out.....I think it's reasonable to assume his new found don't be critical of anyone at anytime if you are a Panther fan or it makes you whack.....MIGHT have something to do with the fact he likely has been hearing a lot of things said about him lately he doesn't like.

I mean, right about some statements he made if you cherry pick them. the whole, you can't be critical about anyone at any time or you aren't a real fan is some of the weakest bologna ever said. Said be one of the most critically talking people in Carolina universe.

then why invent the lie? Because it certainly looks like a cooked up bunch of nonsense. If Hunter wasn't even in good enough shape to earn a roster spot....he wasn't in good enough shape to walk in and take on the role he did regardless of what happened with AT. too much Rhule with Canales for me.

this ignores it wasn't about Renfrow vs Tremayne. It was about Renfrow vs Moore. And Canales invented some complete fiction to justify it.

Brees was a modern day great at the sneak. And too often in the Bryce world, Brees is only thought of as old weak armed Brees. Brees used to fling it downfield. He was known for the big downfield gambles in his prime.

well, since I looked it up (this is dated 2023 so it lacks the tush push/Hurts update). Tom Brady, Drew Brees and Cam Newton are the best QB sneakers of the past 20 years. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/evolution-of-the-qb-sneak-how-we-got-here-and-what-history-tells-us-about-the-tush-pushs-future-in-the-nfl/ While known more for his prolific passing, Drew Brees was also highly successful when it came to QB sneaks. A former Super Bowl MVP, Brees has the third-highest conversion percentage and the third-most third/fourth-and-1 conversions by a quarterback since 2000 despite retiring after the 2020 season. His 73 conversions in those situations trails only Brady and Cam Newton (108) and is ahead of Josh Allen (64), Hurts (56) and fellow former Super Bowl MVP Joe Flacco (56).

Kyler Murray is built like a little tiny tank. Brees was sort of like Tom Brady. He went about it different, but the Brees QB sneak was sort of a signature move. Really high conversion rate.

and I think you are blind to the one FACTOR they all have in common minus Bryce....they all have MUCH better physical tools to play NFL QB. Bryce is a unicorn. And not the Cam end of the unicorn spectrum. The bad/weak side.

lol. 3rd quarter - The Cardinals were up 24 points and Carolina got to touch the ball once. Here is what the Cards set up for them in the 3rd quarter to eat clock. run TE checkdown TE checkdown run run RB check down TE checkdown run TE checkdown incomplete TE checkdown run now they finally arrive end at the 4 yard line and finally hits a WR , and he hits Renfrow in the endzone. THAT is not asserting your will. That's not NFL QB play. That is the Cardinals allowing a bad team to bleed the clock and take up the entire quarter.

I'm just saying if you made a list of all the dominant Bama, OSU, UGA college QBs out there competing for nattys and blowing folks up.......how many have ever really hit a the next level (regardless of draft status). It just seems like that's not where you find a QB. That's where you find the players for around your QB. Then you look at who the actual dominant NFL QBs are. You got a Texas Tech. A North Dakota. A Louisville. I mean you got a Burrow that would run counter to my train of thought but yeah, it gets really tough to judge these dudes that were playing on basically college all star rosters.

Nick Saban QBs have pretty consistently just been good college QBs (with absurd production) in incredible scenarios. I think there is something to almost every Bama and Ohio St not panning out that well at the next level. Lot of the most dominant NFL QBs were doing way more of the work in college than those dudes. Really includes UGA too. There is basically Stafford. NIL is going to change all that going forward as those 3 won't basically have the superior roster every single year

I think the JAG debates are largely people having vastly different definitions of JAG. The OG JAG LB debate was James Anderson. And James Anderson is probably going to be ahead of Shaq on my alltime LB list (it's really close though).

every player mentioned in your post is a better QB than Bryce. That's why it's not Bryce hate. if you were to make of a list of Darnold, Baker, Mac, D. Jones, old Rodgers, Trevor, Caleb and Bryce. Bryce is last. And that's not tooting anyone's horn you named.

89 was 100% a bad person and teammate in Carolina. It’s not me saying it. And sure, everything factors. 89 wasn’t just involved in some football scuffles. He assaulted people. Multiple people. And reporters from that era have always hinted on other incidents that remained hidden. and he can’t keep what a jerk human he is hidden in his post playing career. Whether that his personal life spilling over into TMZ or him clowning his colleagues for clicks. if you want to put 89 ahead of Cam, Peppers and Luke? Do you. Cam was the most impactful. Peppers had the best career. Luke the best actual football player. 89 ain’t jumping them for me