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I think team Fitterer sold Tepper on it. Tepper very much spoke like his GM sold him on the reasoning. It wasn’t coach talk Frank and Mrs Tepper team Stroud. Frank’s people were hitting the media hard that he liked a Stroud type and Schedter gave us the Mrs scoop. Early reporting was their was a divide in house…which I would assume meant 2 different parties trying to sell Tepper

this. Tepper is running the show. And if you eliminate Bryce....it doesn't wipe out the mismanagement of the org that still exists. Bryce is just 1 bad QB. We got into this hole with better QBs. Bryce being benched doesn't really alter much. Because Bryce didn't get us here. Who got us here....is Tepper and the people hired at the top of this org. And those faces haven't really changed much.

don't get me wrong. I wanted him benched. I would have benched him sooner. My mind is not on winning but getting balls up to XL, Mingo and Saunders. Dalton can do that. but we are still very much a dumpster fire. And there is a lot of red flags w/ the Bryce move. Because it indicates we have zero plan and forward thought, Tepper is still winging it all based on how he feels that day, etc.

and Tepper has a LONG resume backing that was a Tepper move/decision. Canales antics and talk just confirm that if you really listen. Those Monday morning meets w/ Tepper. Let's see how long it takes Mr. Sunshine to morph into defeated Frank Reich lol. people wanting to spin it as Canales doing it is funny. Predictable but funny. I admire that sort of fandom at this stage. To be able to ignore what has been going on here for the last half decade and still do that....

and if you were going to ditch Bryce that quick if he were to stink, if that was the plan, and in your heart didn't think he was the dude....you would have built your QB room different and you would have handled preseason different. this is Tepper being Tepper. It's the easiest call there is IMO.

Tepper made the call. And you know that by all the very carefully worded bologna and non-answers/dancing to simple stuff.....that came from Canales after Canales loudly declared Bryce Young the dude Sunday.

Cool, but what's that got to do with Canales. He isn't some great offensive wizard and play-caller. His one year at OC was meh. That's not his billed strength of why he is here. Much better coordinators have been employed here and they didn't need to call their plays here. They had enough on their plates to figure out. Canales took over the worst team in all of pro sports. He needs to devote his time elsewhere....and he should of hired a real OC so he could do that IMO. I mean, everyone would largely agree we are doing things wrong if it was asked about before were actually started doing it. He is a first year HC that needs to figure out how to be a HC and manage this team. And frankly his team should of been fined by the NFL for not trying to win and be competitive last week (that's a joke but the point is sincere). We were taking glorified knees starting in the 2nd half. That can't all be blamed away on Bryce Young. That's a coach not handling and being aware of what is really going on in a game. anyway. I'm just so done w/ this team. Glad Bryce is benched....but all the benching does is make me thing about what a nightmare this org is.

wait. pair Canales with a Jake Delhomme/Baker Mayfield type

I'm not saying he should be fired. I'm just saying getting rid of Bryce Young doesn't fix the mess that is Carolina. And we should not draft and ruin whatever potential anyone has at QB until we fix it Bryce Young might not of had the tools to succeed. We ensured we got the absolutely worse version out of him though. And Canales, just like those prior, was indeed part of that disaster.

Canales management of things has been horrible too. From preseason to in game this week stunk too. and we are repeating the same blame and defense of things .... it clockwork at this point. The Morgan hire smelled bad, the Canales hire smelled bad, Jim Caldwell being involved smelled bad, Tepper right back into his groove of management smells bad, the management of the team preseason smelled bad. and heck, even this is the same recycled routine. No one is more critical of this team than me the last half decade......and then one of the predictable issues that was my soapbox coming in (Bryce right now) gets addressed.....and people will then call me a defender of Bryce because I refuse to let him be the scapegoat for ALL that clearly stinks here.

well, I was told we hired him because he is the QB guru of QB gurus. And Frank Reich not giving a poo and half asleep did more with Bryce Young. And he ran he mismanaged preseason on par with the legendary Matt Rhule. And we have had tons of debut coaches in Carolina....and he has orchestrated the most embarrassing and pathetic one of all time thus far. this is the scapegoat cycle. We have been doing this for a half decade. Every season. It was all this dude, now we are good! It's the definition of insanity. Way more than Bryce Young stinks around here.

he has already proven to be part of it IMO. Goes to his handling of his first preseason, his OC hire, and the fact he his calling his own plays. We do things that clearly aren't smart or ideal and defend it.

We mortgaged our future. Traded away CMC, DJ Moore and gave up a ton of draft capital to draft Bryce Young #1 overall. Bryce Young got just 18 starts. Essentially 1 season (plus a game). And in that 1 season worth of play...Bryce Young got.... 3 different HCs 3 different playcallers 2 different offensive systems 14 different starters on the OL Bryce Young might of been a bad pick. We ensured we got the worst version possible. We basically set the whole thing on fire and now point the finger at him. And there is a reason Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, and basically everyone is performing a higher level elsewhere. The real problem in Carolina, is still in Carolina. No point drafting any QB in the near future. If you were to develop a plan to ruin a QB.....we are the textbook example.

I think Dalton is washed….but I tell you what, that is what a confident NFL QB sounds like . Dude wants to play some football. Think he was struggling to keep his excitement reeled in…it was busting out though

The guy who has already hired and fired 2,373 coaches between his 2 sports teams? Think Canales is his 6th head coach hire between the 2. The dude who built half a training facility in Rock Hill and was like…you know what? Nah. Or the Eastland project. The dude from day 1 had to have a dome and then thought it was stupid. I don’t think he allowed it. I think Canales was told what to do in that Monday morning meeting.

Well, from a human level I hope he deals with it okay. Bryce had mental health concerns at Bama. Seems like just a solid human. Being a solid backup QB is a nice life. He isn’t the first top QB prospect in the last several years to flame out. It’s frankly normal.

I mean if I could be an NFL QB, I’ve always argued the best job belonged to a former Clemson Tiger. 2006-2016. Decade of employment in the NFL. 20 million for 2 wins. Clipboard Jesus. Charlie Whitehurst. Cool nickname, health and no pressure. Just call the plays in. That’s the job I’d take lol

Win% Dalton 0.0 Cam- 0.0 Bryce - .125 Baker - .166 Teddy B - .266 Sam - .470 Extraordinary times call for extraordinary measures. We have a need…. PJ Walker- .571. (should be .741 but DJ Moore has to take that helmet off and we cant kick an XP) The only man on planet Earth that can defy the odds in these dark times of David Tepper Sincerely… CRA

100% benched at half. But frankly, you could also argue Dave Canales should have been benched too. That pathetic drive to end the 2nd q is still his. Then the 2nd half happened He is the calling plays. He has total power. They weren’t trying to win or be competitive. Canales management of everything hasn’t been impressive at all. Started with this pointless and wasted preseason opportunities. Everyone in pile on Bryce mode which is fine but our new HC getting off light here IMO

Dave Canales literally stood in front of the masses and said Bryce was their guy and starting vs Oakland yesterday. No dancing, hesitation, or leaving a door cracked to tape. so given THAT? I could see team Bryce surprised it came today. Mentally you got at least another week after Dave spoke on it yesterday. I mean I would have benched him sooner. He needed to be benched. But folks are in pile on mode. EVERYONE here was surprised too given what the HC said yesterday

I mean, from the standpoint that his HC point blank addressed the topic to the masses yesterday that Bryce is their guy and starting vs the Raiders.....today was in fact out of nowhere.

I mean, Stroud, Herbert, Lawerence are all various degrees of functional starting NFL QBs. We need that.

It was Tepper. You take Canales post game talk + Monday meeting + benching = Tepper. Then the fact Canales refuses to comment on what went into it and the convo with Tepper speaks volumes. Because if your owner had nothing to do with it....you EASILY could just say that. But he can't. And isn't. Reading the tea leaves under Tepper has been easy. People just overthink it. which I think is fine. the benching is the right call in reality. but as I joked in another thread, the actual red flag in all this....is the Canales QB whisperer stuff IMO was always overstated bologna. Geno rebounded because he went to long standing winning org in Seattle. Baker just returned to being Baker. Argued that this offseason. Canales had all offseason with Bryce....and made Bryce worse. Now, I don't think he NEEDS to be the legendary QB whisperer he was painted coming in by the fanbase. But that narrative probably should be put to bed for a bit.

Yeah, need to keep in mind Andy Dalton isn’t a good QB at this point in his career. Just better than Bryce. also….