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Everything with both of them is basically…sure we look bad in the tiny bit you see us but man, the joint practices were really good so….(despite it being just a pretty generic mixed bag practice in reality).

Preseason Canales to me…is too similar to preseason Rhule. I hear them talking….but most of what I see doesn’t seem like they are really good and know what to do with their preseason.

He got nothing to lose. Playing smart vs insurance salesman and punting isn’t going to do him much good. Sort of got to hold on for a 3rd down first down opportunity

it’s time for the perculator!!!!!

Listen we hired a bunch of search firms to find us a GM. but it turned our Frank Reich era Jim Caldwell figured it out for free for Tepper and found the answer right here in the mess Dan helped create it’s still amazing how that happened lol

Perkins has been here less than week. Was it perfect or great? No. Probably better than Plummer though. Again, just a week. Put him on PS vs Plummer

They literally just pulled him in this week. Plan I would think is the 2nd half is his

He hung Renfrow out to dry last week too

It’s time for the percolator! Put Perkins in at QB

I think after the Rams loss entering that late bye week screams Evero is gone.

reporting was always that Tepper was part of the fire Mike Tomlin group that made that big push from within a couple years back

well said

I mean I don't have a personal axe to grind with any human on the Panthers roster. I know AT shouldn't be dominating the slot. The fact he is....is because we have a horrific front office/management. I can part with any player. The goal is a winning team. the root of the AT ranting, is really just looking out for BY (people like to call me BY hater though). A QB who was basically screwed from day 1 when we got drafted here. I went hard at Carolina then too for setting him up to fail. Because it was obvious from the jump the setup was failure by design. Which was true. I said Frank made zero sense with BY. Miles Sandes made double zero sense. The players they got in FA made zero sense. Either you build a BY O.....or you move on from BY. I have said I am cool either way. We are in no man's land and have been there since they day we drafted him.

ESPN analytics has AT with the 135th YAC rating out of 149 WRs in the NFL last year. Dead last in Carolina. 274 out of 312 the year before. Dead last in Carolina. NFL Receiver Scores - ESPN Analytics it is a AT thing. Despite being bad, AT actually occupies the WR spot where YAC production is most easily generated by players. Should be easier for AT than XL on the outside (in a Dave O w/ BY) The most productive WR position in a Bryce Young O likely SHOULD be the slot. Not out wide. Which is why you don't want AT dominating it. Because he can't do anything with it accept meet the floor of plays. An ideal BY passing O would favor the slot, TE, and rec RB given what his arm is and how he plays the game (which we all largely agreed the short quick game was our direction when we drafted BY). Every spot and role is different based on scheme and QB. Slot w/ BY should be a YAC centric spot.

This is about getting open and YAC....and the QB we have. You basically are just highlighting average depth when targeted vs 2 players. . And yeah, I often say AT is a small slow reliable TE in terms of what he does for us. That's what he is. I think a couple of you want to make this into a Renfrow argument. I'm a Renfrow fan. Renfrow does not check the box of what a BY O needs either at the slot. Renfrow just a niche roleplayer at this level. it's easy to look up how horrific AT is with the ball in his hands and in terms of getting open.....and it's also easy to look up what a low ceiling of an offense the steady AT diet produces w/ BY.

I simply acknowledge BY is the QB. And just like we did when we drafted him.....the type O you would need to setup around him for success was always pretty simple. But we have done virtually the opposite. XL dropping some passes isn't why we were ranked the 32nd O and 30th passing the past 2 years. *Ricky Prohel was brought up only in regards to role function he served on the team. Niche/specialist. He wasn't eating up the snaps in the O. AT should have a similar snap %. People could MAUL Ricky Prohel and put hands all over him. We got to the Super Bowl in part because we were mauling guys (our slot CB). You can't do that now. AT has a MUCH easier life and still can't get open. Or run. If you live in 3 WR sets, with a weak armed QB, and you choose to put someone who can't get open or run in the slot.......well, your are going to have a weak pass O. That's by design IMO.

Carolina's offense doesn't produce. Part of that, is we have WRs that can't get open and can't do anything with the ball in their hands. We live in 3 WR sets. And we choose to put an old, slow, no YAC guy there paired w/ our weaker armed QB. We make life hard. If you can't get open or make a play in the slot....you frankly have aged out. Doesn't matter how good your hands are. It's a lot of empty yards and punts by your O.

there is not a post in huddle history where I discredit AT's hands. slot is the easiest spot on the field to get separation and AT can't. WHOEVER you put there, pending they aren't horrific, is going to be a statistical leader on the team given we have Bryce Young playing QB.

I mean, let the record show.....I have long been on the AT rant before the Renfrow project was even a possibility. I have been on the big 3 for Bryce since the day he was drafted. slot, TE, and rec RB. I still contend we are building an O for someone that isn't BY....so what's the point. Pick a direction. The Carolina No Man's Land thing is just my ultimat pet peeve. and while I 100% am ALL IN on my guys comeback, I am on record Renfrow doesn't fit what a BY O needs either. He is just a low ceiling chain mover. BY needs a playmaker at slot more so than any other WR position.

I have literally said the exact same thing about BY and this O from day 1. The slot WR is the key spot in a BY O and you need big play out of it. And Hunter Renfrow doesn't check that box either for me, Renfrow's ceiling is also too low given what a BY O needs to be. Renfrow 100% can be a roleplayer off the bench. Which is what AT should be. This is the 3rd season of this BY experience. Part of why it is still a unknown mess is the team isn't built right for the style QB they have rostered IMO. Round peg, square hole, random parts. Tough to win in the NFL that way. *please also note, I defend XL (that no good dirty Gamecock) as much as anyone on this board.

espn analytics also had him like 130 in YAC and 90 something in terms of getting open. I mean, Ricky Prohel had a significant role on that 2003 team. He didn't start. Because he wasn't good enough to do that. If AT is starting for you, it's a problem. my AT issue is he is taking all the oxygen in the slot. Despite the fact he has good hands.....he keeps the ceiling incredibly low and THAT is going to be BY's key WR to go to (no matter who it is) given his style and attributes. I have had the same issue with this BY since the day we drafted him. You either have a BY O or you don't. I'm cool either way. But if you want BY to succeed your talent has to be slot, TE, and rec RB and it's got to be a YAC O. You put big bodies on the outside and play chunk ball? Well, let's move on now.

XL went to one of the worst teams in the NFL. One that features a weak passing O and bad overall QB play on the season. XL is getting way too much hate IMO. He had an okay rookie season all things considered. Very much on par w/ prospects that projected around the same area with him. Panthers made a 2nd rounder a first round technicality for that contract. XL also getting this weird kicker type blame for games. XL somehow single handedly lost us games on one play.....and then we ignore the rest of the team that went about losing the game for 4 quarters. Should he of caught the Philly ball? 100%. The O and D still played like garbage that entire game. Even after the drop, Panthers had two shots starting w/ a 3rd and 4 to convert. They kept playing bad instead. And even if we XL made the play....Philly would have had a minute and half to get into FG range to win it. Who is banking on the Panther D getting that stop? also, I am deemed Mr. Negative, yet here I am defending a no good dirty Gamecock lol

I mean, I don't think it's an issue. I don't think Eli Manning's style was an issue. Eli was just Eli. And Eli is probably a much more likeable human than Peyton. He wasn't going to act like his brother in terms of how he lead. You are going to have to get THAT elsewhere.

David Tepper has never won more games than Spurrier did in his NFL debut season. In fact the ONE time Tepper matched it….is when he tried to in season tank. Tepper is basically the football George Constanza

You can force feed the ball to all sorts of old vets in the slot and they will get 50 yards on a losing team. People are confusing stats with being good. Stats often lie. AT isn’t good. AT is a backup role player we choose to start and over target. Renfow realistically projects to be what AT should have been here’s A random role player you see on very select downs. Ricky Prohel.