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nah, some of this is just piling on. Which is fine. That's sports. People claiming Clemson doesn't recruit talent anymore. Then when showed how absurd their recruiting has been.....claiming that's now how you should measure recruiting. Sometimes teams just have a bad day. A comical day. Which means you lose a game where you go 200 rushing and 200 passing.... despite your previous record being 108-0 when doing that. A team struggling to find an offensive identity (with a new OC and essentially a new QB) lost an opening day game to a pretty decent team on the road. They had a bad day. Some if it was Duke. Some of it was Clemson. Bad days happen in sports. You just hope you can find a way to win when it all goes bad. Clemson went 11-3 and won the ACC championship last year with no QB play. They did it not just because of the stars recruits get but because they have the best overall talent on their roster in the ACC. Which was true before kickoff and is still true today. Mufah and Shipley are talented. A bad day doesn't rewrite that book because of two fumbles they were part of. And Cade had 1 start to his name. Young QBs. Kids. Do some really stupid stuff in the process of learning. He had a bad slide. You want to define him as a player off that? lol. You can just look at Clemson. Trevor Lawerence did all sorts of stupid stuff early in his first season.....in a season that ended up being an undefeated natty run where they dominated Bama. So apparently that got all erased. They essentially would have to bench him for Kelly Bryant to clean up the mess early on at times. It takes time. It's not the end of times or Clemson.

Panthers aren't lowballing Burns at 23M a year. Reddick got 15 a year in a deal last year. Von Miller got 20M a year in a deal last year.

They could still have Venables. That wouldn't address the primary problem in Clemson of late. The ability to throw the ball past the line of scrimmage. Clemson D has actually been pretty sound. When you factor in the load on their shoulders each week and what it takes to keep Clemson in a game. No way a D can be really good w/ an offense as bad as the one Clemson has been putting out there.

yeah, I'm not writing him off yet. I think you got to give Garrett Riley some time too. Got to think they can look much better than they did.

Young is still a rookie QB. And the NFL is fast.....and his skill talent is average at best. Rookie QBs generally win with insane defense or paired with HOF caliber skill talent. Only 1 exception I can really name and he was paired with the greatest head coach in modern history.

lol. I mean, yall enjoy your moment. Not trying to take that away from ACC and Gamecock fans. But yeah, Dabo is a college great. 12 straight years of double digit wins w/ a top 25 finish. Mixing in 2 nattys in the process. Best run of any non-SEC school in college football history. Matt Rhule is a wish.com Dabo.

Cade was a 5 star and the #1 overall QB of his class. DJU was a 5 star and the #1 overall QB of his class. Clemson most definitely has problems. This recruiting angle just doesn't fly. Clemson's worst recruiting class in the last 4 years was a still a top 10 class. No one in the ACC is close to their classes. He hasn't stopped recruiting talent. Clemson wins that contest in the ACC in a landslide. Has he lost the ability to evolve his offense going forward without a best in all of college football caliber QB? I think that is it. Cade was doing the same predictable junk he had DJU doing. QB play, bad or good, is just too big of a difference maker.

Clemson has absurd talent vs the rest of the ACC. That's just a fact. Poor QB play is just as big of a game changer as great QB play. That's the issue. Not recruiting. Not talent. and DJU and Cade were both the #1 QB recruits in the entire nation of their classes. You can't recruit better than the #1 QB of a class. He didn't stop recruiting talent. Dabo has them instantly looking like middle schoolers. and it certainly appears Dabo has just put his thumbprint on this O to a fault. I can call the plays ahead of time. It's been that way for years. So you know a college defense can figure it out. Clemson went 11-3 last year with arguably THE worst QB play in all the power 5. Was pretty much the same the year prior too. Clemson can pull off those great bad years with no QB play.....because the talent in Clemson isn't comparable elsewhere in the ACC

Clemson has the most talented roster in the ACC. And these are some of the best QB prospects any team in the nation can land. Whatever the talent advantage has been is still in play. Clemson has really one issue. It’s the passing game. Everything else is in place and has been. And it’s clearly a coaching/scheme issue. Because it’s 5 star QBs looking like D3 backups. Got to think it’s Dabo thumbprint of how they are managing the QB/pass game. It’s all the same offense on repeat even with Riley,

speak on it then

Well, I’ll just be a super homer. If you were going to lose a game, week 1 is the week to do it. Clemson dropping a game to an unranked ACC team isn’t something we haven’t seen before. I’ll just be delusional and think they got time time fix it and the QB/OC can grow and get better. 10-3 still on the table and keeping the double win streak alive.

and these are also 5 star super gets by Clemson. So it’s not just they are just making QBs look bad. They are making top tier prospects look like they belong in D3.

No but they would have counted as a quality win for FSU if FSU has the season they hope for. Clemson is really the only one on the schedule for FSU. So it robbed them of claiming 2 wins against top 10 teams. Clemson is really the only team in the ACC with real weight to their name. And the only ranked opponent FSU will likely see. Someone might sneak into the bottom of the top 25 I guess.

I’m not sure Dabo would want to follow up Saban. It would basically be like a coach signing up to follow Dabo. You aren’t going to look good.

Well, I don’t disagree. But that’s why I was excited for this year and Garett Riley. But that was horrible on Riley’s part. That’s the worst Cade has looked. Maybe it’s Dabo putting his thumb print on it. It sure did seem DJUish. The design and asks of the QB.

If you fire Dabo, there is basically a 99% chance you are going to do worse than Dabo. Maybe greater than that, because the better coaches ain’t coming to Clemson.

Probably a little with the fans. reality is Dabo could run the wildcat and find a way to get close to 10 wins. People are gonna do the Clemson bashing for awhile but it still won’t change the talent gap. Every opponent isn’t going to get the results Duke did tonight when Clemson drives the field on them. Clemson is going to win a lot of ugly games in the ACC. Just like the last 2 years. They aren’t title contenders. They will be tough for virtually everyone not named FSU though.

just a weird game Clemson won time of possession, yards (rushing and passing), first downs, 3rd down, penalties. And got smashed lol

Pretty much. Especially given the plays it took for Duke to win. Biggest losers: FSU/UNC/ACC Biggest winners: Duke/DJU

Well, congrats Duke fans. Congrats ACC and Gamecock fans. I think the end of the Dabo era officially is near. Signs have been there for awhile but I think the fans will start to turn on him soon. He took a Clemson to the mountain top and the fall down won’t be fun for him

Yeah. It’s not the right call. It might be because they fugged up the rule book after that play. I’m sure they will change it then. You can’t separate the hit from the play.

Biggest winner tonight is probably DJU. Got to think he is feeling redeemed.

I mean it was over after those 3 straight drives to the goal and nothing. Comedy show from that point forward. Tiger fans already numb by the time that bogus call came

I don’t know about that one. Board would be going nuts if that call went the other way lol. Not that Clemson could do anything but botch the drive in the end.