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they still put up 350+ yards of offense despite not having to. I just don't think AT fits in a functional O at this stage in his career. Which is how we landed him. Think he is just a vet bench player that might can make a random catch here or there. He basically was a slot small TE that we went to over and over and over.

Johnson did do something with Bryce Young. He had 34 yards in Carolina w/ Bryce. Averaged like 2 yards a target

and frankw

the good fans know it is only cool to hate on the selected WRs, LBs, lineman, coordinator, etc. Because that's totally different.

but Carson Wentz isn't a rookie and the Vikings just hung 48 on the Bengals last week. 0 yards. I would say it a combo of 2 things, AT is another year older and the Vikings have a solid TE in TJ Hock. and AT basically become a TE in Carolina that we over fed.

Is it really revisionist history? or was the UNC/Belichick hire always an obvious bad move that some just opted to do what sports fans do and work about convince themselves something not smart would be okay. I mean, you could bump the thread from when Bill was first hired. It was always dumb. Bill isn't a college coach. The Panthers shouldn't hire Dabo if somehow Canales got fired and Dabo was able to be talked out of Clemson. I don't really need to give you a better name for Carolina to point out Dabo w/ the Panthers is just silly.

I also don’t think UNC really got the actual Bill that was advertised either when the original thing was brainstormed UNC has this odd late in life crisis Bill. Really weird distraction girl stuff that really runs counter to some of the most basic Belichick principles. They have tried to quiet it some bit home girl is still getting her shine interacting with Bill on the sideline. Bill also seems caught up still with NFL drama banning New England scouts lol.

I'd say in terms of odds of the Carolina guys. Luke is the hands down favorite and carries the strongest odds. Then Peanut Then 89 *Luke actually in this year and the rest keep waiting.

@Icege There is a post in this exact thread making the statement he actually does have a rocket arm and is denying his shortcomings.

yep, if you look at the 20+ throws of Bryce Young w/ Canales in 2024-2025 (and remove the anomaly week 18 Atlanta game). It's horrific downfield play. Pretty sure it works out to 5 for 24 when going 20+ yards w/ 3 INTs. Is it all on him? No, you can find fault elsewhere in that in either Dave or some WRs. But to be THAT bad going downfield, you got to acknowledge Young is a big part of why it doesn't work. A big chunk of that is his heavy bad throw % and ball placement (Bryce makes life hard). WRs pretty consistently having to go for a lot of contested balls that are contested in the manner they are because of ball placement often. my stance has been consistent since the day we drafted him. Pick a direction. I don't care which. You either need a BY centric scheme and HC....or you need a new QB. We hired Frank and now Canales. And it's too late to finally attempt something year 4 that should of been attempted day 1. I was hard on the Frank hire if BY was the pick. Same for Canales if BY was going to be the guy. It's really raging at the Panthers org not really BY. But BY is the square peg and Carolina has a round hole O ever since drafting him. So he becomes the easiest fix given they have never wanted to do what they should of always done.

Bryce’s ball placement leaves a lot to be desired and leads to lots of contested balls, 50/50 balls and tough catches. I mean you can call those catchable. But every QB is going to throw different versions of catchable balls. and in this fantasy football data overload world….you got folks clearly lumping bad throws in with good throws under the “catchable” umbrella which makes the data not always jive with the eyeball test.

If everything is perfect, every QB in the NFL can throw a heater that isn’t too far downfield. Thats not how anyone on Earth talks about arm strength. Cam Newton had arm strength by NFL standards. Bryce doesn’t. It’s not complicated.

Last year folks were gaslighting that Bryce was the best deep passer in the NFL despite not ever making plays downfield NOW, he has A+++++++ arm strength one notch down from Brett Favre S Tier arm strength? And people complain people are Bryce “haters” for arguing against all this type wildness lol.

Yeah, I just think Penix had one of those nightmare games that had more to do with himself than our D. Then the whole team around him sort of imploded too. but we were due for one of those going our way for a change vs us being the one gifting games to an opponent.

Both Carolina and NE are top 5 in % of drives that result in a turnover that will be the game. Who doesn’t lose it

20 year (and some change) run comes to an end at OSU

Will be interesting if folks outside the ACC start to law the law down on that. I mean Syracuse was doing it but It wasn’t close to some of the stuff going down last year from some others

Biggest Baker mistake was just not letting him have the team from the jump and a real shot. he didn’t get reps to be the dude. He was second fiddle to Sam. They freaking had him playing scout team DE one week……and we are puzzled why it didn't work lol

1. Olsen 2. Allen 3. THE JJ Jansen 4. Mike with potential to move up or down

probably too early given our 3 game stretch of competition to put him over Jared Allen. We got him for a 6th and was a really nice vet cog to that 15-1 machine that was just as much defense as it was Cam

2024 was always exaggerated play based off how bad he was paired with Canales and excluding the week 18 complete anomaly game of his career you get… Deep passes: 5 of 24 with 3 INTs, 0 TDs. PFF gaslighted folks into thinking his 50/50 and bad balls somehow should outweigh reality and somehow makes him good. Those stats above also include the stretch where he was deemed best deep passer. Which is nutsville.

if we are keeping the main thing the main thing..he isn't a good WR. And he likely does have a roster spot simply because he is Dave's guy. I mean kudos on a good run blocking day. But if all you can really do is run block AND you occupy every snap in a game on the outside......that's most likely going to limit the O and be a more of a net negative than a positive most days.

total lack of situational awareness too at the end of the half by a WR as time ran out on them (it was FG range) It would have been close but it looked like he could of made it out bounds if he actually attempted it. but the QB and playcaller seemed to also lack the situational awareness there too

this thread is about our yards per play. So it by nature is going to be Bryce heavy talk given the ball is in his hands every snap and he is the main driver. This ain't a Jaycee Horn thread being hijacked where Bryce is catching strays. if folks don't like hearing Bryce Young debates....go start a thread on our special teams, or defense or endzone color. O threads are just flat out going to be Bryce Young talk.

Yeah, but you projecting things not said. I didn't say PJ Walker would win more games. I specifically said he would be bad. But PJ Walker's bad is just a far more entertaining version of bad and most importantly.......the threat of PJ Walker ruining the next season wouldn't be on the table (which it is for Bryce). We hired Canales and we all should of known what he was. He told us. If you are wanting some creativity and great scheme you are barking up the wrong tree. You need a QB that can play within what the O asks. This whole notion that no one can do better than Bryce but Pro Bowl level talent is just silly. That's what people are tired. Josh Allen would be 3-0 here. Proof is in the pudding. Take the INSANE difference between Cam and Jimmy with merely largely a TE upgrade.