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or when they were visiting with him, someone from his team was just doing some standard smoke blowing at Milore.....which you got to think all teams do for guys on their board they like. I would imagine the Panthers probably talked to a lot of edge rushers and told them things that would contradict. How many guys did they likely tell were at the top of their board or they viewed as the best guy(or some variation of that type talk) given Milore showed up at the draft (he can thank Sanders for that not getting attention)....I do feel someone likely oversold him their impression of him.

I'm sticking with my longstanding view. You can't actually believe anything a team says to the masses when doing PR runs. The real goal isn't to be truthful....it's to sell what they did. Every team after the draft essentially tells the same story year after year.....you won't believe it but guess what we got exactly who we wanted in every round. Steals practically. I think it's all partial truths. If the decision to draft Tmac was made so early.....then why were legit reporters talking about them working the phone so hard the day before the draft to move. if you make a thousand different plans. I guess you somewhat nail your plan.

league ain't ready for this! I'm ready for camp to start. Need someone to get Bryce, Renfrow and Robert Hunt in a photo together so I can upgrade my avatar.

I think the Sanders issue is a variant of the issue an older The Golden Calf of Bristol or Cam Newton faced. Could they of been backup QBs? Sure, from a talent standpoint. But whether they wanted it or didn't.....they brought a circus, attention and demanded oxygen in a manner no coach wants to bother with in terms of their backup QB.

it's not the only way to be a threat, it's certainly important for certain roles in an offense and for certain type players and offenses. as is the ability to get open quickly and generate easy throws. as far as Renfrow goes, I have consistently said he is sort of his own thing and not really in comp w/ others here. It's a niche role/job. Anyone talking about something else from him isn't me. Just depends if we want to do what he does and if he can still do it. as far as AT goes, yeah, he does lower our ceiling given the % of our offense that goes through him and his limitations at this stage in his career. He should be a roleplayer, much like Renfrow should be if we want to insert what he does into the O....not an O being run through him. Renfrow isn't going to lower the ceiling if used correctly. Niche assignments to move chains. It's like a short yardage RB that comes in to pick a random play. Renfrow is best at that 3rd and 4 type scenario IMO. AT lowers the ceiling because we build the pass game off an old WR that shouldn't be the focal point of a pass attack. Not to mention, Bryce Young is practically tailor made to get the ball in the hands of YAC players. So you need those type on the field.

I think it was more about drawing attention to everything Sanders. Playing Hunter both ways got them eyeballs that just Hunter the WR or Hunter the DB doesn't get them. And it's not close.

yep. But his primary advisor has been the guy that helped Sheuder get drafted in round 5.

I don't know. You got Shaq Thompson out there pulling off back to back 100 yards at RB and then jumping in to play LB. I'm sure Shaq Thompson back then could go all day long without contact on a football field

I didn't know about his health issue. That sort of makes what happened w/ the Raiders make a lot of sense and why he sort if went totally MIA last offseason w/ no workouts/looks.

I say about 7ish wins. Give or take. I think the Panthers are still fundamentally in no mans land on offense where the QB doesn't match the playcaller/talent. I think the D moves from horrible to average.

I'm not sure Hunter is some super conditioned athlete that stands out among professionals. I think he was afforded opportunity that just doesn't happen in football. That's the most unique aspect. He plays relatively light contact positions. I mean, I might wager there are tons trash players on MLS rosters better conditioned than Hunter. but I also saw Travis Hunter get absolutely cooked late in a couple games. That's why I don't think he can play both ways in the NFL. It was largely a sideshow IMO at Colorado. If you are getting cooked late in games because you are tired at Colorado......you can't pull it off in the NFL outside of some situational package.

yeah, I don't know why any of it exists today. Maybe back in the day it made more sense as maybe you could argue it would benefit the wealthiest owner vs a different franchise (that couldn't pay for and bring in the entire league to their home)? Who knows. Seems stupid in present times.

I invested way too much time in it and then couldn't find the exact map. Similar one shows they pretty much can go to Columbia and up to VA which aligns w/ their local visits. Then then encounter "micropolitan areas" going westward that would cut them off I think trying to get into western south and north Carolina. Seems like a certain mile radius would make the most sense. Got to think some areas like the Northeast teams could take advantage of a lot more schools. Players who attend college or reside in a club’s “metropolitan area” can be given a physical examination without counting against the 30-player limit, unless the club provides transportation for the visit. Also, a player who attends college or whose hometown is in a club’s “metropolitan area” may be timed and tested at the club’s facility, as long as the club does not provide transportation. “Metropolitan area” is defined as contiguous suburbs. There isn’t a 25-mile, 50-mile, or any other type of mileage radius rule. The league office uses the 2011 Rand-McNally Road Atlas to determine the metropolitan area of a city.

it gets really weird. But you got a straight shot down to Columbia and I guess straight up to VA if you are the Panthers. I would assume the western mountains and western NC/SC ends up drawing a line and boxing them out of that area.

I wonder if the Carolina Panther Gamecock "fixation" is the downside of the "local visit" perk. It's the only SEC school that checks the box and they get local visits out of it at draft time. Wonder if Clemson doesn't meet the map requirement to be in the metro area like U of SC does. Which could be part of the HUGE disparity of one school being the lead the school in draft picks .....and the other posting a goose egg despite Clemson putting more players into the NFL and being the better program during the Panthers era. The rules just give them access to Gamecocks (which is an SEC program) without using top 30 visits.

but again, we have drafted more players from that college than anyone else on planet Earth....and that stat predates Sellers stepping on a football field. It's just what the Panthers do for whatever reason. Sellers averages like 15 rush attempts per game. And he isn't Cam Newton or Lamar Jackson. I think Sellers around these parts has been vastly overrated because of a game Clemson couldn't tackle in (and Clemson proved in every game this season they might not be able to tackle David Tepper if he was in the open field. Sellers couldn't do anything as a passer that game. Was meh in the bowl game. But sure, he had some miracle scrambles vs a horrible tackling Clemson team. Folks way too high on him IMO).

maybe one of the worst franchises in the NFL......should reconsider the pipeline fixation from the U of SC. We have more draft picks from there than any other university on planet Earth. and zero all time from the best football program in the Carolina's. might be time to mix it up differently.

AT cant' get open either. He is just a savvy old guy eating on up all the slot reps. The fact he seperate and run lower the entire ceiling of a Bryce Young O. As does the fact we get below league average production out of the backfield in the pass game when we go to it. since the moment we drafted Bryce, I have banged the drum slot WR, rec RB, and TE would be the most important things we could do to build around Bryce. We have done basically the polar opposite. It's why I call the Tepper era random parts.

he averaged 2 yards in YAC per reception last year. He can't generate quick separation. He was debating retirement last year. Yet we champion him as some great option. AT is a savvy vet we force feed the ball too......on a team starved for basic offense the last couple seasons. We overrated AT. Which is why some freak when people like JT on his podcast point out the painfully obvious about him.

I mean, he is a slot technician. That's what he does. So, in a good offense, you would be trotting him out there on 3rd downs and situationally.....to not take what they give him but to move chains. It's a niche. AT hasn't threatened defenses in years. Last time we saw Renfrow on the field he averaged..... 6 yards YAC per catch. Adam Thielen last year averaged....2 yards in YAC per catch last year. I still contend in reality, AT isn't a slot WR. Not in reality. He is an aging rec TE. And those aren't the same thing. AT simply can't generate quick separation or provide YAC.

I mean, I was not so subtly just trying to just get a shot in at the Gamecocks. but if you want it vs mighty Bama in National Title games… 7 rec, 88 yard, 2 TDs. 10 rec, 92 yards, 2 TDs. Bama had no answer for him either.

in honor of the signing here is a classic Renfrow clip, making one of those big bad but muh SEC! defenses look dumb.

well, you got two present day GOATs at QB there....so they can make stuff happen like a 2015 Cam Newton did. Yeah, they would all have success here. Not sure that is the fairest point. I mean, skill talent, Mahomes and Allen probably got the slight edge today. Maybe not tomorrow. So it's still back to our OL being the defining different in Carolina.

if Renfrow is largely what he was, he should make it. He has the added bonus of being able to return punts. I think Renfrow makes a lot sense on select downs.

all about if he still has that quickness. Hunter Renfrow isn't built to of slowed and really pull it off. I didn't watch a ton of him after his Pro Bowl season....but I do know his route running got really popular after that. The Renfrow routes. Wonder if some of it was teams just really started respecting him and studying his routes.....and that lead to him coming down a peg as it became somewhat less effective. But even if his routes were more studied and respect, his game still will work. You still going to guess wrong on them.