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in all honesty, I just want him out there so that reality comes quicker rather than later. Bryce Young might of worked out in some ideal landing spot. He isn't going to work here. We have already seen that. And this is about to a real bad marriage of putting him into a Canales O.

yeah, but I think it is still the big picture red flags of us remaining poorly run. In many ways. This is prime developmental time. Prime get ready time. And we spend our time doing mental gymnastics about why the Panthers not doing the obvious is okay. Meanwhile, they just confirmed Patrick Mahomes and KC are playing their starters for the opening quarter this weekend. I mean, that's what preseason is. Outside of hosting a team for a week that can skew it....the first 2 preseason games are what you use to get ready. That's the new model in the 3 game era. Not the 3rd game. There isn't a good coach in the NFL that is going to sit a bad 2nd year player in the preseason. That's just not the signs of a well functioning team. Not saying it's all Bryce. But it's a clear sign we aren't in a good spot today IMO.

well, we already know the #1 overall pick from last year won't play we know our 1st and 2nd round picks this year ain't playing. We can watch the Pats starters and all their QBs rep though. Outside of that, no clue what the Panthers are willing to show

isn't the new general consensus that preseason 1 and 2 are the games you actually should be using your starters in. Dip the toe game 1, real work game 2, rest game 3. Joint practice skews that some but overall teams aren't looking to get banged up in the 3rd one to ensure the healthy start of the season.

Young needs to be developed. That's why he should be getting preseason reps now. Not only developed, he has to learn this O. That's another reason he needs rep now. The evaluation is going to be really easy if you just wait to play him in the regular season. It will be bad. That's why he needs to be developing and learning before the season starts. Like every team does with young, green and bad QBs. They play and develop them. Not hold them out like some ancient version of Peyton Manning. only thing I get, is Canales gets that Bryce Young would look bad presently in an uncontrolled scenario. Which is fine. He shouldn't look good in live action in Canales brand new O. Go ahead and start working out what he can and can't do in it.

Bryce just had nothing to benefit from by throwing. He knew Carolina or Houston would take him. Throwing had 0 chance of helping and could only hurt him. So he didn't throw. That's different than being the consensus #1 overall QB though of 32 teams. The bad teams at the top dictate the convo. Bryce's size and skill set alone would obviously make him not #1 for many teams and schemes. He isn't a generic fits all offenses QB. Tons of teams paid zero attention to him in reality to even rank the top guys. Plenty of teams weren't going to invest any energy into breaking down Stroud, Young, etc. Fruitless time and energy. Can go all the way back to Cam. Everyone slated Cam to go #1 overall leading up to the draft....but only once people basically knew Carolina was going to take him. Change who is at the top of the draft, Cam easily could of had an epic fall.

people calling this conservative are deep in the cope spiral of denial. Conservative is what Andy Reid is with Mahomes. And Mahomes basically got the same overall volume of work as a ROOKIE Bryce did last season but got it in just 2 preseason games. I think it clear, Bryce can't do what the team needs him to do yet. And that gets highlighted when you aren't in control and an opposing D takes away Bryce's bread and butter and goes after him. Too much of what Canales' base is plays to things Bryce is bad at. They are protecting Bryce and frankly Canales from having to do deal with it all at this stage. It's not conservative QB management. You do think with Cousins or Mahomes or someone like that. Great QBs, old QBs, injured players. Not bad 2nd year QBs.

yep, we follow 1 team and it was split in house until the powers that be declared it was Bryce. Which makes sense that people viewed it different. There was no player all 32 NFL teams were going to be in agreement on. Ian knows his job. He said what he was supposed to on camera at Panthers camp.

he is literally at Panthers camp. He has been in the game a long time. There is no way 32 NFL teams all with different schemes and offensive emphasizes are going to agree on any QB as #1 outside of the most rare drafts. Which this one wasn't.

yep, not sure I really blame him so much. But I think if he puts Bryce out there and knows he has a lot to work on in his scheme.....it's just easier on everyone not to play him. Saves Bryce heat. Him from dealing with it before he has to. That's what it smells like. Freaking Mahomes played the first two preseason games last year. Canales talking about potentially holding out the worst starting QB from all of preseason out of possible "injury" concern? What something doesn't smell right....it generally ain't right.

looks like this isn’t just a topic for the opener…

Someone call PJ Walker up. He ain't scared.

Schemes might of been different, and you can dress anything up different, but the overall identity and concepts weren't though IMO. All we have to go on is what we have to go on. Every O he has been involved with has checked certain boxes and leaned on the same general run and pass principles. And his first investment as a HC (Leggette) plays right into his history way more so than what Bryce would excel with. I largely assume football guys will be what they have been until proven otherwise. Stubborn run that attacks downfield. Dress it up anyway you want IMO but every O he has been part of breaks down to that simple formula.

just going off his prior Os, his QBs have always been part of setting the top bench marks in downfield pass attempts. So while the pass game has shrunk down.....Canales hasn't been part of that. No variation of that really in his profile.

CJ Stroud appears to be playing this week. Jordan Love too. Heck, even the folks like the Eagles aren't ruling their dudes out (and they had a joint practice this week). but yeah, Bryce doesn't need to be out there.

I get it. Canales knows Bryce isn’t going to look good right now and flat out doesn’t want to deal with what comes with that. That’s what it is. reality is Bryce needs to be out there if the real goal to get a bad QB as ready as he could get

as in, big bodies standing in front of him. Take the pick or where he hung Thielen out to dry. He can't see well enough. The pocket exists. Time too. He gets the throw off. Bryce is just miniature. And you got at least 10 giants clogging his view. So they are bad throws and not seeing what is there. all the clips where he makes a play, he isn't in a textbook pocket with big bodies obstructing.

all these little clips just reinforce my belief that Bryce Young is too small to play in a traditional NFL pocket IMO. The pick, Theilen being murdered, etc. That's him in the pocket. The good plays? Quick stuff or out of the traditional pocket.

I still can't get over how bad the HOF did Peppers with that bust that looks nothing like him.

well, I think they did hunt for one. That's what the firm attempted to do. but as you said, who wants to have their career essentially instantly killed by coming here. That IMO is what the qualified folks think. So you have to go the longshot route. The dudes that aren't being looked at anywhere. And that's what we hired. A GM and HC who no other team even sniffed.

the 2024 Panthers were brought to you by.....the people who also brought you the 2023 Panthers. It never made sense. It never will. Tepper and Jim Caldwell brainstormed that the answer was already employed here and went through the 2023 joke with them. Morgan. Morgan helped make this mess. We played ourselves. Fitterer should of been fired with Rhule. Morgan and company should of been fired with Fitterer. We keep pretending like the problems aren't the problems and scapegoating one guy each year.

at this point, I have zero faith they can pick one or put one in position to thrive. I'm in the camp of just signing some proven vet and dreaming of the day of getting back to .500ish.

live action reps are where you can sort of gauge a player....and build around what they are presently doing well and not well. The whole strategy aspect of sports. Which determines wins and losses. So again, I see zero reason why you wouldn't rep a bad QB......in less controlled scenarios. Against, players, schemes and play calls that all will be unknowns in comparison to his own teammates. I personally don't think Bryce Young is a NFL QB. Frank Reich did a horrible job with him going into last season though. 2 things can be true. If Canales doesn't play him going in, that's dumb too.

Houston has a Pro Bowl/ Playoff winning QB from last season. They also had an extra preseason game.