mav1234

Didn't fold under pressure and give the game away

Wow what a comeback

Holy fug did they pull it off

Always have... As you and I have said...

This draft class looks so promising and even Legette stepped up. Couldn't ask for more on offense realistically... Now D...

Just one more stop defense!

Goddamn that was a good drive

I remember some people were talking bad about Dowdle... He's really showing up

Plenty of time, a win is still in reach... Time to show us what you have Bryce

1 - that's exactly why I said he's a complication... He is causing symptoms... He's not just a symptom. 2 - People keep saying this about Darnold and it isn't entirely accurate. He was pretty good here in the 2nd half of 2022... He washed out because he still isn't a franchises answer at QB, even after an incredible season in Minneapolis. He's ultimately nobody's guy unless they can't do better... And this is coming from a bit fan of Darnold...

He's not a symptom, he doesn't go away if you get rid of Tepper and not would his play miraculously become worth a first overall pick. He's more like a complication from a disease that requires it's own treatment.

I mean I don't entirely agree with this. Our first drives - where prep is the most clear - are usually good. And we frequently get to mid field. But once the field tightens and the offense has to operate in tighter windows, we can't get passed completed and opponents can defend our run and pass game by just stacking people near the LoS ... I don't know ... Last year we had effectiveness at intermediate depth throws we're not having this year.

I don't think Mac Jones has a stronger arm, just better footwork.

I do think overall 2011 had more talent but that is mainly due to the non-OL offensive personnel's and the overall depth on D being a little better (not saying much). But it isn't some HUGE gap (outside the elephant in the room lol). This team could turn it around with a few (albeit major) changes and acquisitions.

I think he'd likely look better. But remember last year when Thielen and Coker, and even JT, has us thinking they had potential? XL was dropping easy balls even then.

Which of our WRs was that true of? Drafting WR busts is a Panthers tradition long before Bryce Young and will continue past him.

I don't think Tpper is that diabolical. This is just real life Madden to him and he happens to suck worse than most of us.

I suspect we'll never know exactly what's going on at BoA but man do I wish that we could get a tell-all of the last few years. I don't care about Rhule but from Reich onward...

I think it's easy to get pulled into the mud as it were by some of these discussions. We're all frustrated. And it's resulted in some dumb trolling from a bunch of us (from you as well, though it seems that's been a relatively new occurrence the last bit). I am hoping that a few wins or at least more complete team play will calm things but who knows when that comes... At this point, most of us know it isn't really just a single person. But the reality is the QB takes the most heat in losses and gets the most praise in wins when it isn't ridiculously obvious they didn't do much. It's why Darnold was getting some calls for MVP here after his first 3 games, and others wanted to keep him at the end of 22 despite how overall painful his time here had been. But still. The entire team looks rough and it's exposed how little control Canales seems to have. I appreciate the all-22 analysis and breakdown. Sometimes it's hard to have discussions around it because so often it's just... Things going wrong everywhere. But I enjoy the read all the same.

I do like Stefanski overall, but I just think you're seeing this with some red (or orange, hah) colored glasses. The Browns have talent on defense at least, but as to being competitive - again, they have a larger point differential than the Panthers since the start of 2024, although not by much (I think like a touchdowns worth, maybe less, owed to our historically bad D last year). I am not sure what getting the players ready to play means, given that they objectively have a more talented defensive roster than we have, and at least last year had IMO a more talented offensive roster (or at least equivalent, though our OL was better), and despite that they are getting similarly spanked (8 losses in 2023 by more than 3 scores vs 7 or so for the Panthers). When I watch the Browns, I've generally seen an undisciplined team that has way more talent than they play to. I don't think that is Stefanski's fault... Seems like an organizational issue... But then, it isn't fair for me to judge Canales just yet.

I think he's credited with 2 actual drops, I'd say 2 were not that hard to catch that probably aren't called drops, but his actual drop% is over 5%. That is not very good, but it's such a small sample size I think that'll go down. I don't think he was credited with a drop vs NE for instance.

Er... what? Stefanski has not been good the last two years, nor has their offense. Stefanski definitely requires a competent QB (no knock on him here). Flacco was miraculously good in 2023, but since, they're one of the few teams with a worse offense than the Panthers. Hell, over that period we've put up 100+ more points than they have...

Disappointing he never amounted to anything, but that 2023 draft... Oof. I guess Zavala has been worth his draft position at least, heh.

He's had some head-scratching drops, but I think he's trying to do too much. There's no way the players don't see what we see with the limitations in the offense, and I can't imagine that is easy on a young playmaker. He's also very clearly being featured... I think I've heard we've gone 'deep' something like 9 times and 7 were to him, lol I am excited to see him and Coker together on the field, because they are very different players but both have promise.

Pretty understandable tbh. Game 1 - Not good by any stretch. Game 2 - Terrible for one half, decent for another. Game 3 - Well, he didn't need to do much, but we won! Game 4 - He legit was just missing people left and right. He threw the ball into an opponents facemask. Dirted another 4th down ball. Just never gave his receivers a chance. A lot of us were pretty negative about his ability to handle pressure (not just the blitzing kind), and he's just shown that he is basically 'just fine' when everything is going right, but can't elevate anything around him. So... We got our answer.