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I'm not positive I want Harbaugh but he's definitely someone that would improve the team culture almost instantly. I think we might be better off with a certain Lions OC in the long term, but I'm not sure we will be the top destination for either. Harbaugh may want to come here in part because he'd have SO much to mold, unlike other teams. Haha.

On the bright side, Bryce's season will be remembered for a long, long time.

Fwiw this is actually what he means by that first comment, lol. He isn't trying to poo on the team in this context imo. We don't have a gm or coach yet Still not worth the money he wants

Luvu is a huge add. Thelein has been great. Chark ... Is what he is, but he'd have a career year with a different QB. I'd let the firm do it's job for sure, but I bet Morgan is more competitive than he'd look to us fans given Fitt.

Allen wasn't known as a bust after his rookie year. He had 18 total TDs in 11 games started ... He didn't throw the ball a ton, but he still averaged 230 yards a game of offense, not bad for a rookie. The question was if he could ever mature as a passer or if he'd always need to rely on his legs. But Allen was also drafted as a project specifically... Bryce Young was the total opposite...

Oh I meant the dudes going after each other for the last couple pages lol

What the hell is happening with the insults in this thread - come on dudes. We can disagree all we want, but leave that poo off the forum.

Our receivers are almost always waiting for balls to arrive. They drift and float. Bryce just has terrible footwork and can't deliver a good ball to let a receiver make plays with it most of the time.

I'm not honestly getting too excited about either of those QBs right now, but yes, our offense blows and makes a lot of people look worse. Edit: worth noting Darnold has a couple of fine games here too. Just give him time His problem is 100% consistency. He has the tools, just can't use them reliably

This roster isn't as bad as some posters think. Middle of the road OL, even with bad QB play (makes a huge difference), low end receivers but with a couple bright spots, and a good defense. I don't think it can be overstated how such atrocious QB play ruins an offense. Bryce is just so bad...

9-8 isn't carrying a team tho imo. He'd just execute the offense better, which is all that's needed in this weak division.

Prime Cam Newton has this team with a 11-6 or better record, lol. Look what he did in 2015 with those receivers. He'd make this OL look so much better, and Chark would have had a career year even with his drops. If you think Thielen looked good this season see what happens when he's catching darts 30 yards downfield instead of running 10-15 yard routes... Edit: cams offenses averaged a touchdown more per game than this year's team did across even bad years, more in gold years. We'd have beat the poo out of so many teams with him as QB this year, lol.

Clausen is a terrible choice for arguing why we shouldn't be so hard on Bryce's season

We're probably 9-8 with Dalton. Yes Seattle was a bad defense but not the worst defense we played, and our offense basically doubled our average with him as QB for one game, early in the season. The number of games we lost because our O couldn't move the ball AT ALL... Dalton makes a huge difference. The NFC South was just plain weak this year and we played them all crazy close, with the worst QB in the league.

We're in the mix for the division with Dalton...

Ugh this is such a misleading post, come on

... Why? The only thing at all consistently good about Bryce is the fact he's not soft. Dude is getting smacked around weekly and bouncing right back up. Pillows is a weird nickname for him.

Wtf is Pillows and Hicky?

I remember how we thought the Texans had worse receivers than us. Guess having one of the best rookie QBs of all times changes how people view receivers. Stroud and Bryce both made history for their seasons, lol.

Lol Stroud dropping out of the first two rounds???? Wtf... Must be an OSU hater...

As much as I wanted him a Panther, I'm happy Stroud has found success. And I'm glad he's proved so many doubters wrong.

And S2 tests, the true measure of success.

Okay sure he can throw bombs. But how's his dinner table game?

The undermining the coach is why he has to go. He's just a Tepper pawn and the org doesn't need more people like that.

Let me put it this way - we know what the numerator is in this case, a throw to an open receiver. If the denominator is the total number of passes attempted, it doesn't tell us if a receiver was open on a play and thus it doesn't tell us if Bryce actually made a bad read. If the denominator is the number of plays in which a receiver is open and a throw is attempted, it would tell us more on that. Aka, is Bryce not throwing to open men because nobody is open? That is actually what I think this figure might show from the last time it came up. Average separation isn't a great measure on if players are always open on plays, but it indicates approximately if receivers are getting space... It will be really badly skewed if a team has a heavily targeted guy good at getting open (what I suspect is going on with Goff)... Ours is towards the middle/ low end of that, which is consistent with what I think of our receivers... Our receivers are better than a lot of the crazy defenders of Bryce say, but they're still pretty bad, lol. There are plays where nobody is actually open... It seems about half of our passing plays are like that.