mav1234

We have people calling this defense elite, lol. It isn't. It isn't bad, definitely. Or maybe Shaq is what we've been missing, which is totally possible. He is underrated here I think.

Haha Shaq making me eat my words! Nice!

This defense is nowhere near as good as some posters here think.

Was just thinking how much of a pleasant surprise he's been

That didn't look like holding...

Our OL is so bad lol

Honestly the defense isn't bad but it isn't nearly as good as we thought it was.

Better than a turnover tbh. I get the frustration but we just don't have the QB... Or OL... To get 17 yards consistently

Sounds like a totally blown call then

It's all part of the catch, because he hasn't secured the ball as he's going out of bounds. His hands are bringing it into his chest and as he drops to the ground he seems to knock it out...

Yup ball came out as he hit the ground. Sucks but it goes down as a drop.

The ball came out when he hit the ground. If he keeps hold of it there's no question. I do disagree with the refs but we're homers.

It looked like it to me but I guess the ball did come out out of bounds. Sucks, dj and Sam both coulda used that.

Another drop ... Ugh.

I think this is a big part of it. So, too, is our general weakness on the edge at stopping the run, although that is thankfully improving it seems.

I dunno man I see Brown taking up space making plays and forcing runs outside. Brown has more sacks, more TFL, more tackles than Vea. Vea has 1 more QB hit... Edit: not saying Brown is better but he is producing and imo he is playing an important role in the defense.

Do we have any evidence he would have traded up? Yes, hurney 1.0 loved to trade up but all I'd heard is we wanted Herbert but he didn't fall to us.

So what you're saying is we will franchise him needlessly this year then award him top 5 corner money the next year, after drafting yet another corner in round 1?

I imagine they are... I feel like there must be a team with playoff aspirations this year that could use help at corner... We are stacked there.

For me, it depends on the price. This isn't about long term solution, but best environment for a rookie to become the guy we need... Tyrod is unquestionably an upgrade over Darnold. Barring some major improvement, Darnold shouldn't see the field next year. Tyrod gives us a mentor for a young rookie we think will be the franchise one day. As to Minshew, he would be a potentially very cheap backup option, and as we've seen there is a lot of value in that. I don't see him as some future franchise qb though.

I think the draft a rookie bit was the franchise QB ideally. Tyrod on a rental with a promising rookie sitting behind him learning sounds good to me, but the OL must be fixed too.

You mean if Herbert hadnt been drafted before our pick? Sure. Do we know it'd be any different with a different gm? But Hurney has generally been money in the first.

Imagine having a QB playing at a mvp level

How is the only real receiver the Packers have left that open, lol

Brady and Darnold are trying to force the ball to Robby to help him get over his yips. It is hurting everyone involved. I actually miss Zylstra in the passing game. That is ... a bad sign.