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For all the shitting on our defense... They have kept us in games against the NFL's best offenses (and shitty ones like the saints)... Yah bend not break sucks to watch but with a league average offense we'd have just a couple losses total lol.

Damn Scourton, nice. I think that's gonna get ruled an incompletion though.

There was the attempt to Coker that drew a penalty to get us there.

Yup. Gotta get that out faster.

This is why some of us point out number of attempts and why they matter on deeper passes... But whatever. We have to try to stretch the field at some point

Defense reallyneeds some help from the offense.

Oh FFS run defense

I would absolutely pay him to come in to be our "backup" and compete in camp

The stats the Op provided are not about deep balls despite the title of the thread and the tweet saying they were. That is not what PFF big time throws are.

I mean he's not wrong about not really attempting deep throws.

Their defense is SCARY. And if CJ catches fire, they'll be really hard to beat.

In the first half of the year I did a comparison between the last few games of 2024-2025 and the first few of this year and he was clearly gunshy to throw past 10ish yards. Curious how that looks across the season. Crazy his efficiency is the same, year 3...

just dudes running wide the fug open, it's crazy

Excited to see it. I have a suspicion it won't fit the OP's deep ball narrative, lol

Glad to see CJ having a decent day already. Would be fun to play them in the Superbowl, lol

Bryce has had a bunch of what id consider good deep passes this year especially the last half but it is really bullshit and disingenuous to push a deep ball specialist narrative that isn't true and isn't necessary for him to be a success. We just need more fuging consistency from him within and between games, and while we need to threaten deep we need the intermediate passing game even more.

Big time throws are NOT deep passes. As others have said. It's made up and I feel like it's pretty ridiculous. from PFF: "What is a big-time throw? Throws graded at the higher end of PFF's scale (+1.0, +1.5, and +2.0) are categorized as big-time throws." They can be anywhere, have any depth of target but a grader considered them to be really good passes, which usually means (as others have said) tight windows, beating coverage, can be great deep balls, etc. https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-week-7-signature-stat-spotlight-big-time-throws-and-turnover-worthy-plays

I don't think this is his peak. For one, he's not always going to exist in a passing offense happy to just hit 3k yards. Even that aside, he'll learn routes better, get stronger, and adjust more to NFL speed in a way I think you'll see him improve quite a bit. He doesn't strike me as someone content with a season like this

Whoah this was incredible. Thanks for sharing

I think in the modern NFL you need a QB to produce to be successful but I have always grouped yards on the air and ground (and I do this for Bryce too) into how a QB can contribute. As long as your QB is able to move the ball and get first downs the offense will end up successful generally. Fwiw, Bryce seems to be getting more comfortable scrambling lately which is good. Obviously a delicate balance as we don't want him bailing too early but I think that's only happened once I could see (without looking at all-22) so I'm pretty happy there. I just want consistency, heh.

This is the optimistic view that I'm trying to have. I think the fact he needs to throw with anticipation and in specific ways means he really needs to trust his receivers and work well with them. He's clearly got chemistry with TMac and Coker. He also had it with AT. I don't think he trusts XL at all, for good reason, lol

Bring him along slowly. Practice for a couple weeks and either activate vs Tampa or for the (gasp) playoffs, depending on how he feels. Don't play him hurt. But once you're in the playoffs nothing matters about regular season performance.

For the Saints, the their passing offense has generated 1565 yards (38 by T. Hill) and their rushing offense only 643 over that span. They have 7 passing TDs by Shough (1 by Hill) and 4 rushing TDs (2 by Shough). So Shough has accounted for 9 of their 12 TDs in that span (%75) and 70% of their total yards. For a rookie that is pretty impressive. Bryce is definitely contributing, though I think he's also part of why the offense as a whole struggles, given our rushing yards are pretty good, and we've all seen Canales inexplicably stop rushing near the goal line. As of the last 7 games... Panthers run game has been weaker than its height, but 3 consecutive 100 yard games and an average of 130 over the last 3 bodes well. We had a rough patch there vs the Saints, Falcons, and 49ers, but hopefully it's back on track.

It's true that we are not scoring at a much higher clip than the Saints. They're averaging ~18.4 with Shough and in that same span we're averaging ~19, so pretty close, despite Bryce having better TD numbers over that period. Both our teams are a far, far cry from the NFL average of 23.3...

I think the Saints have some pieces but are overall weak. Last week or the week before their OL was 30th in pass block win rate through the season... But QB play can change a lot there because some of that is assignments for blocking. I don't think Shough is anywhere near Stroud. If it came off that way, that wasn't intentional. It's one thing to look goodish for 7 games, be above average in some categories. Another to do it all year. And yet another to have one of the best rookie seasons of all time (Stroud). I think maybe what you're seeing is some folks trying to build up Shough to show how bad Bryce is... Not my intent. I like seeing rookies do well, though I really hope he's fools Gold because of who he plays for. It does sound like we see Shough similarly in objective ways just use different adjectives and focus on different strengths vs weaknesses... Which is fair.