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I don't think that there was anything close to what the rumors were about Mayfield with Cam - and not before imo the injuries took significant toll. I mean, we saw how much people loved Cams return in the locker room last year... Of course last year also shows you how much locker room love gets you without wins. It just seems the Mayfield rumors have been consistent and stronger when it comes to players negative feelings about him.

I didn't bring up Cam. I responded to someone that did. We've heard from multiple sources that Mayfield divided the browns lockerroom. We never heard that about Cam. As to Cam he didn't get an extension because his injury permanently reduced his abilities and it was pretty much obvious to everyone, but he wanted to still be the starter, so the best situation was to let him try that elsewhere. That and Tepper and/or Rhule wanted a reset on the franchise. It was never because he was bad in the locker room.

Cam was never credited with dividing a locker room etc. Fans got upset with his behavior at times, sure, but it never seemed like players or coaches did...

Any day now will be the last 24 hours for sure

The way you know how is to read what they source. If you don't believe it for one reason or another, so be it. You don't have to agree with their conclusions to utilize their research, either... Sometimes the research they do (in this case scholarly work) can help point you to other experts etc. For me, fact checkers are as much about what they are citing and summarizing as whatever their opinion is on material.

I've disagreed with plenty of outcomes of fact checkers but the one in question from Snopes appears accurate and the sources they cite seem in line with what they're reporting.

poo, did Rhule try to recruit him in college??

Sam isn't a bad guy, he seems to work hard, and he has all the physical tools. But that isn't always enough. Sometimes guys just don't have it. Sam doesn't process the game fast enough at the pro level and it's obvious. Could that have been different if his situation had been different? Maybe. But he plays how he plays, and that isn't gonna change now. I wish him well and I'll root for any Panther but I wouldn't be upset if he never played another game for us.

Right, which is why I don't hate the trade. I do wish we'd seen just a little more out of CJ last year so I'd have a bit more enthusiasm about him in particular, but I'll give him another year without complaint (not that my opinion actually matters to the Panthers anyway).

I don't hate the CJ trade, but it's emblematic of a big problem I have with Rhule: overconfidence in his ability to turn players careers around. Whether it's a retread QB, a player with injury history, his best buddy/someone he liked from college, etc, it feels like he's just so arrogant that he thinks he can overcome the strongest predictor of a player's future: Their career to date. There are always exceptions, and I hope CJ is one, because if he can live up to some of his potential it will have been a great trade.

Although I agree with most of what you're saying in general, Brady would have shown much more than Darnold did... Darnold just processes too slowly it seems, as even when he had time he was abysmal. I do think those stats are misleading since he was clearly always expecting pressure, but if he had more he would have shown it by now...

He's also got way, way more worse film, and a lot of negative rumors to go along with it. The only reason CLE was in at all is because he couldn't be the QB they needed... The same issue Jimmy G has. I don't want to trade for either of them, we've had enough retreads trying to reinvent their careers.

Neither did Mayfield.

It's been a long 24 hours...

The only reason the trade makes sense at all is because Rhule is desperate to save his job. We've had enough retreads...

What the fug

Definitely... But if the long term plan is BC at guard and Icky at tackle, I hope that is worked in to the season somehow. I won't begrudge decisions on where rookies start early in the season, but I just would like us to get the guys experience where we expect them to play long term.

I'll be honest, I prefer the headline "trade for Mayfield might happen today" to "the trade for Mayfield happened today"...

The endzone issue is as much a whole offense issue as a DJ issue. He's part of that, but the bigger issue is who is calling plays and throwing him the ball... I think he can and will improve, too. I also think his contract won't look so big next year compared to new deals... We will see though. I could be wrong.

DJ has ups and downs per game or within games, but has produced 3 consecutive 1200 yard-from-scrimmage seasons, all with the worst stretch of QBs in the NFL throwing to him. He isn't underwhelming imo, the players throwing to him have been. Hell his best chance to be explosive was when Kyle fuging Allen was throwing him the ball... I still remember Teddy missing him wide open on game winning drives lol.

If the coaches suck so bad that Mayfield ruins young player development with whatever drama be brings, the young players were fuged anyway. I'm hoping these new assistant coaches help there anyway, and Mayfield will have a ton to prove here I think. As long as we don't give up future assets, fine with me. I'd rather have someone that we'd expect to be a better mentor, but then we wouldn't have a guy with a higher ceiling (Jimmy G VA Baker M I suppose).

I don't have high hopes for BC either (or anyone raw that is coached by rhule), but at least we do have improved coaching on the OL overall that could see some benefits. I'd be happy with "excellent depth" but think he could be better than that. Just hard to get hopes up for any young player on this team...

Appreciate the tweets and news shared, thanks all.

We thinking from 32nd to... What, 25th? 22nd maybe? As bad as he was, much better isn't really saying much.

Rivera wasn't the coach to push us over the top but he was a decent coach overall. At least he would reliably have one side of the ball ready for games, ugh. Rhule is wildly in over his head and I don't know how he's tricked Tepper or others into thinking otherwise...