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All these deals seem like better deals for thr clubs trading away then thr clubs trading for. Why the hell would he want Goff if he isn't a free agent? Even then it's filling a space for a year and then do it all over again. If he was a free agent, ok. Its an option if we fail elsewhere. Trading for him? Hell no to him and his contract.

Trading our 8th for Stafford is a no go. The fact we would have to trade it way before we could trade back once or twice makes it a no go. There is no spin that makes this a good thing. It would be a giant failure and a terrible way to begin any good change.

Kinda would feel like the ghost of Huney is still with us if they give up anything close to what was being discussed.

You need to go look at their injury report. Some of those are backups. LT Fisher - 1st OG Osemele - 2nd RT Schwartz - 2nd So that's three injured starters that were drafted in the first 2 rounds through out the year keeping to the idea they value good players that were drafted high, followed by solid backups who were not. Holding the backups as some kind of example to follow is incorrect.

Sewell is the only player I would want to see drafted at 8 if we can't get a QB right now. Trade back, get an extra 2nd and look to LT then CB in the first.

I couldn't agree more.

Ouch. On the flip side is how Philly imploded by obviously tanking. I just wish Ron wasn't such an idiot with his personal.

Rimmers can't handle speed at all but any coach that doesn't have his head stuck up his butt could scheme around him.

If he gets out of Green Bay he has a chance to make a couple of Super Bowl appearances with a team like the 49ers. If the Packers are dumb enough to let it happen someone is getting lucky as hell.

Once Houston signs a HC, the situation should solidify. Their asking price is ridiculous and some of the ideal landing spots for him are better for Houston than Watson, IMO. Will Houston try and keep him as this drags on or will they give in an move along with a portion of their asked compensation? No idea, it very well could take a year of him sitting if he can't find a likable landingspot and Houston to get enough compensation. I could completely see Houston's owner getting involved and making things worse, his disrespect for players being an issue in this dumb situation and at other times in the past. I do know for certain that I am happy to not be discussing this absolute mess about the Panthers. The rest shoukd be a wild ride over the next few months or year.

That what I'm talking about. I notated that those two teams haven't been drafting impressively and suddenly it's some negativity to our future? I don't want to be like Seattle or NE, be better man. I have heard model and emulate. Fug that, that's all I was saying and it's like well they win so be like Seattle. Take the good toss the rest. My hope at this point is that Seattle has stagnated with their success and lack of pressure from a hands on ownership and we got the best part of that machine.

Stop chasing models and just look at the parts. Did NE model themselves after someone? No, BB failed in CLE and became an evil genius. Did Seatle model themselves after someone? No, they hired Carrol and then the GM who where a huge match along with a great staff and did all kinds of crazy stuff to make a juggernaut for a couple of years. Did JR do such a good job chasing the Steelers the first 25 year that all the fanbase can do now it chase other teams with dreams of success? I am tired of following other teams. Is it so bad that I want to see the Panthers be the team leading the league in stead? Great coaching, was great QB play (Interesting to see where NE goes now) and savvy free agency where they get picks and players. NE and Seattle do all that really well. Can you really say their drafting is top of the league? Even with doing a curve for picking later? That is not why I don't want to emulate them, it because emulation sucks and is a pipe dream. I hope Rule and Fritters make something new from the successes and failures they have witnessed and not try to be it all over again. Is that so bad?

Those are your words. I said those teams were better than the Seahawks those years. I have said in the thread I want to steal what teams do well and not try and emulate the entire organizations. How many time has a BB top guy left and bombed elsewhere? Soo many because you can't emulate the Pats without cloning BB. The Bills and 49ers (without a franchise QB yet which is a huge wow) have done that. Thats why I like what their doing. KC is Reid basically running the best org in the business right now. His experience and improvement from his Philly days is really impressive. And nowhere in this did I once say I want to pretend we can be those organizations. Fritters positives seem to be his steady approach and his personality sounds like a big match with Rhule and Tepper. He stuck through 3 regime changes in Seattle, also impressive. But no, I absolutely see no reason to emulate Seattle, take their stability and leave their weaknesses, which they have.

I can because they are losers this year at 12-4, they just are better losers then us. Every team that won the SB every year since 2014 has been better than them. I have already agreed they are consistent but they are not finishing. At the end of every seadon there is 1 winner and 31 losers. Can you not see that? I am not naming them but here is a link, the winners were better than Seattle each of those years. I'm not debating their consitancy, i also never said they are not consistant, I was just notating their issues that have kept them from the SB. my criticism wasn't against their QB or coaching, it was that their drafting had kept them from being a serious contender. If they were better there, I am saying you would see more wins that matter most in that link. And on a final note, recent is relevant. KC is dominating, Seattle is sitting at home and has been since 2014. That matters more to me than how many wins Seattle has had in the last 10 years, even if that is impressive number it is way behind winning a SB. Nowhere did I say Seattle is a bad team or a not winning team.

Trust is gone for now. I am happy and excited to watch them prove it tho. It's easy with a GM, he is already on the clock and we don't have to sit around picking apart coach speak to guess which way anything is going.

I am not judging Fritters just discussing possibilities. Your statement makes it sound like judging the Seahawks is judging Fritters when in fact I am just talking about projecting Fritters possible tendencies. I know I am rough as cobb but that's it. And I would have kept McD over Ron that year anyways. If anything, McD made Ron look better as a HC. That is what I hope Fritters is, their McD.

Seattle has grown stale and is living off of their QBs production and good coaching. If they adjusted and updated they could be a power house but it appears they are happy with close and I am guessing with a completely hands off ownership, there is not much pressure at this time to change anything. I like what KC has built recently and look to be keeping up. I think looking at NE is the wrong thing to do but instead look to BB, he is the reason for success and he needs to find new blood to help get back on track. It will be interesting to see what he does, guy is a genius. The Bills are doing it really well. I think I would take the most from 49ers and KC. I do not want to emulate. We chased the idea of the Steelers for years and I would rather steal and adapt then emulate. I guess I look at emulating like trying to re-catch lightning in a bottle and that's why teams that do it fail so often.

I would think a real contender has to actually win a playoff game by definition. Not trying to be snarky at all about this. The entire we made it to the playoffs, where is my participation trophy angle just doesn't sit well with me. My entire point was there is some there to critique and discuss. Just winning isn't enough, even though it looks like beginning to climb Mt Everest from where we are now.

They fail better than us, yay. There is a lot to emulate there but you are completely hung up in winning the regular season and not postseason. That's like winning the offseason, no trophy.

If just making it into the playoffs if what you define as a contender then WTF is a contender? Hell no. They were participants this year, not contenders, just like the Seahawks once the regular season ended. The contenders will be playing this weekend. I get it, I would just like to have a higher bar then a bad good team. Jesus how beaten down is this fanbase?

Any team that won a SB in the last 5 years is technically better. I get it, wins do matter. The goal is still a SB and they have not been since 2014. That's a failure, better than us since 2016 but still not all world. Teams have tried to copy or steal from NE, the best hands down, and they keep failing. Vrabel is doing well but still not lights out in Tenn but the rest are flame outs. Making the playoffs isn't the point, it's an achievement not the goal. Winning the playoffs is. We have different goals we would like to see apparently. I like they guy so far but I do have concerns...he is going to have to prove it and I am happy to see him try. Why that is such an issue to others I just don't understand.

Yes, because they have a very good QB. A 12-4 team was dumped in the wild card round. If I was a fan I would be pissed at that. Still better than us? Sure. I want the Panthers to be a bully and not a wet noodle that sneaks into the playoffs to be a punching bag. Aim for the best and not good enough would be my retort to you. Edit: Also we were in a SB more recently then them with that nice record. Just saying.