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Allen was drafted before him so it doesn’t matter. I’m sure Rhule would have loved Burrow, Hurney wanted Herbert. He claims he wanted to trade up for a project QB like Allen and was mad Rosen wasn’t ready. Allen’s first year was pretty bad and that’s with a great staff and OC. Imagine him in Arizona with McCoy who was fired midseason.

Because Allen was “ready?” Most rookies aren’t ready year 1. He had Bradford as the vet backup.

From what I read it states he “wanted to trade up for Josh Allen, not Rosen.” That doesn’t mean he didn’t want Rosen at all, just that he preferred Allen. He did state the GM drafted Rosen, but that doesn’t mean he was against it. He also benched Rosen for Bradford who looked just as bad in his team’s offense, and benched Bradford for Glennon who also looked bad. He also fired his OC McCoy and the offense still looked bad (with Fitzgerald, Kirk, and David Johnson). When I say bad I mean one of the top 3 worst offenses in the NFL since 1986 bad… https://www.theringer.com/platform/amp/nfl/2018/12/31/18162453/arizona-cardinals-fire-steve-wilks-josh-rosen The bad thing is he was just recently the DC for Missouri whose defense looked better this year without him…

And that wasn’t Wilk’s choice after they missed on Allen? They needed a QB. The next one drafted was Lamar at 32. I don’t really think he gets a pass on that either.

I’m sure he was, but not letting Wilks in his first year trade away God knows what to move up and select a project QB in the top 10 of the draft was the absolute right call.

I don’t think it even matters. You don’t let a rookie HC trade away the farm for a risky player like Allen. It was the right move. If he is setting there at 10 and Wilks is adamant he is the right QB then sure, he could have a bit of a “told you so” moment now.

Probably, but being mad that a GM wouldn’t let him trade away future first round picks as a rookie HC for a player with Allen’s questionable college resume is dumb. Keim could have been a shitty GM, but that’s just being responsible. Also apparently McAdoo liked Allen and Mahomes. It would be reassuring to hear it from someone else like his OC or another staff member. It’s easy to say I wanted this QB (who has become a NFL star) after the fact with no data to back it up.

That’s a little different. Trading up for a player that risky without a decent offensive staff to develop him could have been franchise crippling… Trading away future firsts being off the table for a first year coach is actually smart and responsible.

Why does it matter if he wanted Allen over Rosen? Allen was selected before the Cardinals at 7 and the Cardinals picked Rosen at 10. Who did Wilks want at 10 over Rosen? Our GM wanted Herbert, but he was picked before us so it doesn’t matter…

That’s pretty different. Hackett’s team had Super Bowl run expectations and their window is now (Russ isn’t getting any younger). They are probably going to let Russ give some input into the next coach, because they are stuck with him for better or worse. Plus there isn’t a pattern for not giving white, offensive minded coaches a chance at HC. Just look at Arizona and McDaniels getting another chance in Vegas. If anything it’s the opposite. I don’t want Wilks as our HC because I feel like it just brings us back to Rivera in terms of style and being a very boring, conservative HC. However, I do think there is some substance as a whole to that lawsuit (especially if that Miami poo is true).

Levis has a lot to like. I know he had some bad games, but as you stated he had a lot going against him (OL, Weapons, OC, injuries, etc…) Is McKee really that slow? I thought I saw he was a 4.6 4.7 guy? I know that always doesn’t translate to quickness.

You high on anyone particular in this class after studying them?

Good eye. I didn’t even notice. I think Howell did the same thing right?

That KR was fast as poo. Looked like he had a whole extra gear from the guys around him.

lol my bad…

I think his confidence is ruined and a player like him lives and dies by his confidence/moxie.

15 more pounds and he is the same size as Rodgers and Mahomes. I kind of want TCU in the playoffs to see how he handles a good defense.

Both QBs have shown some toughness

This is my dream scenario.

You don’t put your 1st round pick on the practice squad unless you are prepared to lose him. I think we would roll with 3 QBs (like the Eagles are) if this happens.

Unless Wilks had a great OC (which he apparently didn't) Allen probably wouldn't have worked out. Also I wonder if he pushes for Richardson if he is our coach next year. He is the most Allen-like of the group.

Is Sam Bradford worse than Sam Darnold? Because Rhule won 5 with Sam Darnold... Bradford has about a 41.4% win percentage in the NFL. He isn't good, but he isn't a QB that leads you to the worst record in the league. I'm using examples of veteran QBs who could have used vs this rookie that struggled so much. I just think we can do better than a coach with a current win percentage of 26.1%. If that's what you want you have your bar set too low... 2017 Cardinals 8-8. Wilks takes over and they go 3-13. It's not like he had a terrible roster. Kirk, David Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Budda Baker, Hasson Reddick, Patrick Peterson, Chandler Jones, Antoine Bethea.... That shouldn't be a last place team.