ForJimmy

Just read the man's draft profiles. He had accuracy issues in college and was properly developed by Buffalo. I don't think we are capable of developing Willis, but trying to say Josh Allen didn't have accuracy issues and the huge difference in completion percentage is from drops (because those Liberty WRs are SO much better than Wyoming's...) is made up garbage. https://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2018JAllen.php Weaknesses: Has accuracy issues Ball security Decision-making needs to improve Throws too many interceptions Needs to improve ability to throw finesse throws Struggled against better teams Played at a low level of competition Concerns about production and ability to be a clutch performer

Ok now you are just throwing poo at a wall to see what sticks. Josh Allen had a 56.2% completion rate against weak competition in college. Willis is at 62.7%, but at least you tried… kind of…

Makes you wonder if a team like the Saints figured this out and that’s why that made that trade. That can potentially grab their top QB and a LT in the first now. Plus they will probably get a first next year from the Cowboys for Sean Peyton.

Pickett is perhaps the “safest” and needs the least amount of development. That might make the most sense because we aren’t the best at developing. However Howell has a higher ceiling and (in theory) can be had later in the draft. That makes the risk easier to take and puts him on a cheaper contract. Throw in the extra draft pick or two and I’m rolling with Howell all day!

Fields is more developed as a passer with just as much upside. Sauce is a wash with Horn IMO.

You are blaming CAM for never having back to back winning seasons??? Wow. How many decent LTs did Cam have? Who was his best WR aside from rookie year Smith when he broke 4000 passing yards? How many back to back winning seasons did Stafford have on the Lions. It’s amazing what happens when a talented QB goes to a sound organization that puts talent all around him. Take away Stafford’s OL, elite defense, and weapons the Rams provided him and he can’t win a playoff game. Surround him with talent and he wins the Super Bowl. It’s why we have guys like Foles, Flaco, and old Manning winning. Now we have the Ravens letting their center (who just had a great year) walk for a cheap one year contract. You have to build a OL around these QBs once you get one. It’s the same argument you say about the Panthers. We have to draft OL to give our QB success. The first thing Brady did when he came out if retirement is get his center back on the team.

If you look at his 21 season it’s not even bad really. It’s just down compared to HIS previous year and it’s not hard to see why after watching some tape. Throws one of the best deep balls in the class and is pretty accurate with the ball. He is willing to go to battle for his team and seems to be a gym rat. I like how he was most excited to show scouts how he has been working on his footwork at his Pro Day. Little things like that will go a long way in the NFL. Taking OL aside, if our options are Willis/Pickett at 6 or Howell later plus another 1st/2nd &3rd/whatever we acquire in the trade down it’s a no brainer to me. I’ve heard some scouts down on his throwing motion, but that can be tweaked/adjusted by NFL coaches and staff. If they are saying his is Baker minus the personality issues plus faster on his feet then I’ll take that all day.

Honestly the more I think about it, the more I’d like a trade down and draft Howell. He has proven he can be great with average OL play and some weapons like he did in 2020 and was ranked as a top pick before the season. Even with his OL collapsing and weapons going pro he did put up solid numbers and kept UNC somewhat competitive. You also get a young local talent at QB to get the fans excited plus whatever you can add from the trade down. One could argue Howell is as good as any other QB in this class.

Looks like he has one win. That’s one more that pocket passer Stafford until he turned what? 33? Then he went to a loaded team and won a Super Bowl.

A RB with more passing yards than Allen his final year? A RB with the similar passing yards Cam had his year at Auburn? If you don’t like the prospect I can understand that. He still needs to be developed and from Liberty to NFL is a huge talent gap. I honestly think he is better off not coming here because I don’t think we are the team to develop him. You are just speaking nonsense though…

Horrible news. RIP Haskins…

Because the QBs with the top rushing yards of all time aren’t considered “running” QBs. It’s a dumb argument to single out a select few QBs. Willis did what Howell did last year. He ran after his first read because his OL was crumbling. Cam was a running QB that took a weak offense the Super Bowl and was let down by his bad OL trying to stop an elite defense. You can win with both. Willis has the strongest arm in this class and you don’t think the team that drafts him wants to take advantage of that? He should be used like a Allen, McNair, Cam, or McNabb was. These QBs with a ton of rushing yards have those yards typically because that’s what their OC calls to take advantage of their full set of skills. We had specific running plays called for Cam like Buffalo does for Allen and Baltimore for Lamar. All QBs with decent careers in the NFL can throw from the pocket fine (especially MVPs). They will just run the plays their coaches are calling. I know you are a Pickett fan and I think he is a good prospect as well. I’m just not going to discredit a player like Willis because he had to run to make plays on an offense with a weak OL and questionable talent around him. Malik had similar passing yards as Cam did at Auburn with 3 less passing TDs. He can pass the ball just needs some more developing.

Loaded teams win Super Bowls. The QBs have been Flaco, Foles, old Peyton, and Stafford who couldn’t win a playoff game with his old team. They gave Russ (who was a runner) an elite defense and he won one. You definitely have to be able to throw/read defenses but this myth that only pocket passers win the Super Bowl is silly. Why couldn’t Marino or Rivers even win one? They were great pocket passers. We can trade for Foles if you would like? He was a pocket passer who recently won.

I still think Henderson has some potential, but the fact that we gave Jackson that contract shows our staff isn’t as confident. If they were they would roll with Horn and Henderson as out starting outside CBs and add some cheap vets to step in just in case. Jackson is a little streaky, but having Horn back should let him slide over the the #2 role or line up against the speedy WRs.

Cross will be there and shouldn’t be taken at 6. I’ve seen him ranked in the 20s by scouts. He also would have trouble sliding over to OG if he struggles at LT giving him a higher bust potential.

Stroud looks great but also has some great WR talent around him. 2 first rounders and his third option looked great that last bowl game. He put up some video game numbers, but so did Fields and Haskins in that offense. Young and Stroud look good, but they have stacked teams they are playing on.

Hell Favre played still drunk and doped up pain pills. Addiction is a terrible, sad thing and it’s insane they are able to still compete at such a high level with all that in their system.

Lol exactly what I was thinking. Those 1st rounders though…

Oh it’s an elaborate “tank” on purpose to get Rhule fired and land the top pick to get Stroud. Why go through all of that? If that’s Tepper’s plan he should just fire Rhule now…

It’s all about game speed. If he was recorded as the fastest in college football that says something. Running in a straight line for the 40 time doesn’t really matter. Willis can accelerate and cut very quickly, which is how he makes his runs. I have no clue what is top speed could be running in a straight line with no pads, but that’s not really as relevant as his in game speed and acceleration, right?

If there is a good trade to be made, he will be all over it!

The QB position is just a hard one to judge/scout. McShay has been high on Willis while others are low. I've seen him mocked from number 2 overall to not the first round. Brugler (as good as his is) liked Mitch the best in his class followed by Kizer then Watson (who questioned his downfield throws and accuracy) followed by Mahomes. He likes Mitch (compares him favorably to Dalton) and projects him at 6 and states he is "worthy" of being in the top 12... https://www.cleveland.com/dman/2017/04/nfl_draft_2017_expert_dane_bru.html With Mitch as his 1 in the top 12 where does that leave his 3 and 4 in Watson in Mahomes?? I'm not trying to hate on Brugler, but just show how hard is it to evaluate these QBs. At some point we have to draft one we are high on like the Texans did with Watson and the Chiefs did with Mahomes even if they have some issues that we believe we can correct. I'm starting to think the best case is we trade down (I know we need a trade partner first) and grab a Corral/Howell later because the drop from a Pickett to a Howell is little if any... This is of course assuming Neal and Icky aren't there at 6.

Oh I’m definitely not saying it’s the right call. Our staff is bottom of the league right now. They just think they are better than they are IMO…

When we talk about “raw” prospects with huge upside, his name is going to come up. I don’t know why you can’t grasp that. He is THE definition of a QB who had all the tools physically and was groomed into success. Do we have the tools/staff to do that with Willis? I doubt it, but that is what teams are going for when they see him. It’s a copycat league. Most franchises are confident in their staff’s ability, some confident to a fault…