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Yeah I can understand wanting a young project QB3, but Dalton being cut is probably on the bottom of the list of priorities…

McCord should be available soon.

I mean you are only talking about what 6-7 total players and one is an outlier and one is just bad. It just so happens that the only two with snaps on other teams have excuses? Diontae was good at getting separation before he got here and he was still good at it in our system, Mingo was bad at it and was still bad when he went somewhere else. It’s the only data we have on these players in different systems and both show it’s not just our system causing the separation issues.

Check out our boy Coker with the 23 ranking in Overall Ranking!

PFF had both Coker and XL as middle of the pack. I do think their metric is only looking at caught passes though. Also if you look at the actual rating, Mingo and Chark are in the 20s in 2023 with Coker and XL in the 40s in 2024. Another interesting stat is 24 Mingo stays in the 20s despite changing teams away from Bryce? Shouldn’t he move up quite a bit on a new team where defenses are having to respect the QB? You also left out Diontae Johnson at 37 in 2024. 7 games for us and 5 for other teams with very limited stats (looks like 3 catches total say from us). How could he possibly be at 37 with defenses stacking the box making it impossible to get open? Maybe it’s the actual receivers not getting open and not defenses cheating coverage?

If safeties are playing in the box and cheating getting open is harder? The ball doesn’t have to be thrown their way for the separation stat to take place. You still send your deep threat (I’m assuming this was Chark) deep and if no one is covering it because they don’t fear the QB’s arm Chark’s separation yardage goes way up. The second hole in your theory is different WRs magically got separation this past year with Bryce still at QB. Hmm so the same QB with more film on him and new weapons are now getting more separation. How does this happen? Well you have a new offensive system with better weapons. The QB would be the common variable here. Once again 2023’s offense was just all around awful. You have even said you don’t even count it as Bryce’s rookie year because it was so bad. I’ve seen you post 2024 was basically Bryce’s rookie year.

Except they literally weren’t getting separation. They actually track this. Why do you think none of our top weapons aside from AT are on a roster right now? How are all of these weapons he had to succeed looking now? Our roster was bottom of the barrel. I mean just the prior year Baker looked awful, gets let go and immediately looks better on a new team within one week. Then we trade away our only weapon in DJ Moore to make it worse. No one is asking you to be a “Bryce Believer” as I said he controls his own destiny at this point. Just stating that it was far from some ideal offensive setup for a rookie as advertised. It’s kind of crazy this is even a debate. Every analyst under the sun will tell you how bad it was.

People seem to quickly forget how bad Baker and Darnold looked here before looking much better a year or two (for Sam) later. Easy train of thought is to simply blame the QB, but we have to keep building this roster back up if we want any QB to succeed here.

And this year Bryce looked better than this year’s Dalton with a greater sample size. So again this just tells me Reich let his vet QB air it out against a depleted Seattle secondary. It was still far from a great offensive showdown by a QB that some on here wanted it to be. Again a lot of those posters are now claiming Dalton is washed. So from a one game offensive showing to washed one season later. Let’s you know how reactionary us fans are. I’m not overly concerned either way. Obviously I’m cheering for him to play well as it is what’s best for this team. I swear some rather be right than have this happen. However if he doesn’t we just draft another one. I’m not as attached to him currently as I was Cam. Probably the Auburn fan in me.

Yeah I’m turning this into a Bryce can’t play QB thread. Just stating that offense was a poo show two years ago. No QB is succeeding in that, much less a rookie. I feel like it’s become a common debate strategy on here to just jump down the rabbit hole of saying he is just bad in so many ways when any certain point gets countered. If that doesn’t work we can deflect to how poorly this team has been ran. In regards to the actual point we are debating, the OL was struggling, half of the skill players aren’t on a roster, Mingo has done nothing with his new team and the staff are either not coaching or on their 3rd team in 3 years, aside from McCown (I liked McCown too). Honestly about as bad as it gets. No need to try to state how good of an offense it was billed it because that has been proven false at this point.

That’s no good, especially looking at Penix’s injury history in college. They have to keep him upright.

Their GM has done a good job building that roster no doubt. I’m a little confused to this offseason’s approach of letting the OL get broken up with such a young promising QB on a rookie deal.

Doesn’t matter how it was billed. Bryce was billed as the most NFL and that turned out to be false too. Chark can’t find a team, Mingo did nothing with the Cowboys, Hurst is pretty much retired, and our OGs allowed instant pressure. So you have a rookie QB with multiple voices in his head trying to run a NFL offense with no protection and AT as the only weapon. Would Stroud have played better? Probably because Stroud is the better QB, but he still would have struggled. Stroud came down a little this past year as his OL had some injuries and his weapons got hurt. You can look at Stroud vs the Ravens to see how he operates with instant pressure. No QB is thriving in that environment and I’m a pretty big Stroud Stan.

If Bryce fails this year our offense is in a solid place to plug in a rookie QB. I agree. Much better than 2 years ago. Assuming we have some sort of plan to keep the OL solid of course.

I feel like Princely and Scourton can be 4-3 DEs

I'd imagine BB is spending most of the time clogging the middle. That's what we paid him for. I know the depth chart says differently but come game day I'd bet BB is logging the most minutes at NT. I am concerned we overpaid for Wharton...

Aaron Rodgers might be one as well. I know he is polarizing but his mind/memory is pretty insane. I know he had several MVP years were he lit it up with very few turnovers as well. I think he has a photographic memory.

Yeah his transformation makes me understand the gamble, but just not with a top 10 pick. On a side note I am curious about how far along Trey Lance has come as a passer. He had some great physical tools and has sat for years now.

No one wants to miss on the next Josh Allen. The truth is Allen is clearly an outlier...

AR should never have started as a rookie. He was always a 1 to 2 year project with a very high ceiling. I wouldn't write him off yet, but he needs to sit for a minute.

https://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/1957825257739309307 HC is all about Danny Dimes.

Yeah that can’t be right. Is BB nursing an injury or something? Also Turk shouldn’t be DT. I thought he was kind of a smaller DE?

But most bad teams, Bengals aside, are playing their QBs and the good ones are using joint practice. Canales also did play his starters 2 series, they just didn’t do much. Also the Vikings may have had a great record but their QB has 0 regular season snaps. Why not get him these reps if they are so important? It kind of looks like it’s going to be spun a certain way no matter what. Falcons, they are just poorly run, good teams are good so they also get a pass. Pro Bowl QBs don’t need the reps, young questionable QBs don’t need the reps if their team is good. I think it’s just was easier to say every franchise is going to use the whole preseason/joint practices how they see fit. If you are someone who takes preseason real serious then it’s probably going to be hard to satisfy exactly what you are wanting them to do here. Personally I’d like another series or two from our starters but I’m not really concerned about it either way.

You were comparing it to Joe Burrow who is also on a different tier. It’s basically half the league give or take. I think Daniels threw 0 passes just had one carry for a 12 yard TD. Stafford didn’t play but I think he is hurt too. Here is a good one, JJ McCarthy didn’t play this week and only had one series last week. Does O’Connell not know what he is doing with his QB? Maybe most of the good coaches with good QBs prefer using their starters in joint practices? Or maybe it’s just random with no rules/expectations.

Looks like Hurts, Penix, Mahomes, Goff, Tua, Love (might be hurt), Dak, Lamar, Rodgers, Baker, Murray, Nix, and Allen logged zero snaps this week. So once again every team appears to be using preseason how they see fit.