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He looked decent filling in during that Kansas City game. Regardless WRs this deep on the roster are special teams players primarily.

So you are trying to make people ignore you? Sounds like trolling...

There is a 100% correlation between fans overreacting to Renfrow not being WR 6/7 on our depth chart and Clemson fans.

I get Renfrow is easy to like but he is a year removed from the league in which he had some pretty pedestrian stats his last two active seasons. Throw in the fact he is already having some injury issues holding him back I can understand why he was released.

You are talking about WR 5-6 behind TMac, XL, AT, and Coker. Yes familiarity it something all coaches do. They bring on players they liked from the other teams they coached at. These players know the system with limited reps. Moore is a NFL special teams player who can fill in and play some outside WR. That's what you are at these deep WR positions.

Moore made it for special teams. That's what he does. Special teams and can step in last year for a couple games if players get injured. If you are deep on the WR list and can't play special teams you aren't making the team.

He has the ability to be one. When you have no pass rush and some bad safeties you also can’t let the offense decide where to move one of your few players. I get why he has to play him in zone right now and let the lesser players have a smaller field to work with. I do hope he gets a chance to play more man this year because historically he is better at it. As for the paying him thing, I get where you are coming from. Letting him walk would have just depleted us of what little talent we have though. We probably overpaid but each year that contract should look better as the market resets.

Him not traveling is on Evero. He prefers using Horn to erase a section of the field vs a player since we don’t have much talent. If our defense had the talent like he did in Denver I’m sure he would let Horn shadow a WR. Regardless Horn is having to play how his DC draws it up.

He loved Carson Strong too.

Wishing you a speedy recovery friend.

Agreed if Bryce struggles again you let DC draft his QB. There should be several options in this class.

NE needs to eat a chunk of the salary abd it needs to be a late late pick.

No one has said joint practice is more important. I’ve said coaches are using joint practices to get their starters reps and giving them less reps on the preseason games because of this. They are both just a tool for the staff to shape their depth chart and brush off some of the offseason rust.

Are they not both on 2 year $8 million contracts? Not trying to be smug, just trying to see what I’m missing.

Yeah I can understand wanting a young project QB3, but Dalton being cut is probably on the bottom of the list of priorities…

McCord should be available soon.

I mean you are only talking about what 6-7 total players and one is an outlier and one is just bad. It just so happens that the only two with snaps on other teams have excuses? Diontae was good at getting separation before he got here and he was still good at it in our system, Mingo was bad at it and was still bad when he went somewhere else. It’s the only data we have on these players in different systems and both show it’s not just our system causing the separation issues.

Check out our boy Coker with the 23 ranking in Overall Ranking!

PFF had both Coker and XL as middle of the pack. I do think their metric is only looking at caught passes though. Also if you look at the actual rating, Mingo and Chark are in the 20s in 2023 with Coker and XL in the 40s in 2024. Another interesting stat is 24 Mingo stays in the 20s despite changing teams away from Bryce? Shouldn’t he move up quite a bit on a new team where defenses are having to respect the QB? You also left out Diontae Johnson at 37 in 2024. 7 games for us and 5 for other teams with very limited stats (looks like 3 catches total say from us). How could he possibly be at 37 with defenses stacking the box making it impossible to get open? Maybe it’s the actual receivers not getting open and not defenses cheating coverage?

If safeties are playing in the box and cheating getting open is harder? The ball doesn’t have to be thrown their way for the separation stat to take place. You still send your deep threat (I’m assuming this was Chark) deep and if no one is covering it because they don’t fear the QB’s arm Chark’s separation yardage goes way up. The second hole in your theory is different WRs magically got separation this past year with Bryce still at QB. Hmm so the same QB with more film on him and new weapons are now getting more separation. How does this happen? Well you have a new offensive system with better weapons. The QB would be the common variable here. Once again 2023’s offense was just all around awful. You have even said you don’t even count it as Bryce’s rookie year because it was so bad. I’ve seen you post 2024 was basically Bryce’s rookie year.

Except they literally weren’t getting separation. They actually track this. Why do you think none of our top weapons aside from AT are on a roster right now? How are all of these weapons he had to succeed looking now? Our roster was bottom of the barrel. I mean just the prior year Baker looked awful, gets let go and immediately looks better on a new team within one week. Then we trade away our only weapon in DJ Moore to make it worse. No one is asking you to be a “Bryce Believer” as I said he controls his own destiny at this point. Just stating that it was far from some ideal offensive setup for a rookie as advertised. It’s kind of crazy this is even a debate. Every analyst under the sun will tell you how bad it was.

People seem to quickly forget how bad Baker and Darnold looked here before looking much better a year or two (for Sam) later. Easy train of thought is to simply blame the QB, but we have to keep building this roster back up if we want any QB to succeed here.

And this year Bryce looked better than this year’s Dalton with a greater sample size. So again this just tells me Reich let his vet QB air it out against a depleted Seattle secondary. It was still far from a great offensive showdown by a QB that some on here wanted it to be. Again a lot of those posters are now claiming Dalton is washed. So from a one game offensive showing to washed one season later. Let’s you know how reactionary us fans are. I’m not overly concerned either way. Obviously I’m cheering for him to play well as it is what’s best for this team. I swear some rather be right than have this happen. However if he doesn’t we just draft another one. I’m not as attached to him currently as I was Cam. Probably the Auburn fan in me.

Yeah I’m turning this into a Bryce can’t play QB thread. Just stating that offense was a poo show two years ago. No QB is succeeding in that, much less a rookie. I feel like it’s become a common debate strategy on here to just jump down the rabbit hole of saying he is just bad in so many ways when any certain point gets countered. If that doesn’t work we can deflect to how poorly this team has been ran. In regards to the actual point we are debating, the OL was struggling, half of the skill players aren’t on a roster, Mingo has done nothing with his new team and the staff are either not coaching or on their 3rd team in 3 years, aside from McCown (I liked McCown too). Honestly about as bad as it gets. No need to try to state how good of an offense it was billed it because that has been proven false at this point.