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The issue is that Rhule managing personnel is within his bounds, or at least was based on the initial agreement (contractual or otherwise). Unless something changed there, and perhaps it has given the radio silence across the board from everyone except Fitterer, all roads seem to (inexplicably, even without the benefit of hindsight) run through Rhule. The change in tone and lack of public presence from those guys is a departure from how things went last offseason and, to some degree, post-hire in 2020. I'm just speculating but perhaps the status quo has changed a bit over there. God knows what was was happening before sure wasn't a winning formula.

We don't know about the new coaches but we know they are NFL-proven and we know what happened with the former coaches here (shudder...) so yeah, I'll take a shuffling of coaching as a starting point.

Question is, who wants to come take over Carolina's QB room?

Except that Rhule himself has talked about things being written into contracts, and the interview itself has Rhule indicating that it was talked about during Fitterer's intro press conference (which I haven't re-watched). https://www.panthers.com/news/matt-rhule-has-final-say-looking-to-build-relationship-with-gm

It had quality defense, quality offense, great individual plays, lead changes... really was a great representation of the general game of football. And he barely even stepped into it, just tossed it out there.

Yup, that training facility had yielded massive dividends thus far.

No disagreement there - they both should have been gone after 2018. The whole sequence of events from end of 2018 to now is just head-scratcher after head-shaker.

Tepper repeating his mistake of keeping Rivera a year too long all over again.

Not really. There's a reason we don't hear about it more, and that's because teams aren't typically dumb enough to do it with unproven quantities. Key word there being typically.

Wanting it, sure, but a coach contractually getting it, particularly someone like Rhule who had zero NFL experience, is not common at all.

I'm a huge Ghostbusters fan and my wife surprised me with an Ernie Hudson Cameo last Christmas... it's (and he's) amazing. I still watch it sometimes as a pick-me-up on a rough day.

Definitely not. While his body may just not have been up to the task, dude has been a dud. Time to move on.

One would think so. Time will tell.

The point of my post was in response to taking yours to be saying that no sources indicating hit seat meant it wasn't the reality. The only ways that would be true is if there was confidence that this year would somehow be different. Perhaps a misunderstanding there.

After the debacles that was last season and the crumbling in 2020, if Rhule isn't on the hot seat to some degree then I really don't know what to make of Tepper. That's not to say it's a guarantee things won't improve this year, but how does someone look at 2020 and 2021 objectively and think 'yep, that's quality work'?

What am I in denial about? All I asked was to share thoughts on what makes him qualified beyond 'Chiefs offense good.' I've already acknowledged that race may unfortunately be playing a part.

So it's not any different then?

He's still over at Donald LaFell's house.

And that knowledge, and perhaps more importantly the way he has chosen to act on said knowledge, is pretty much the sole reason the team is in the current state it's in. Soooo... yeah.

You're one who consistently laughs when the ambiguous 'sources' are cited in articles such as this. How is this one different?

Harbaugh fielded winning teams his first 6 of his first 7 years (went 11-5 his first year after they were 5-11 the year before) as an HC including the first 5 in a row, won at least 1 playoff game each of those years including the Super Bowl in year 5, and has 2 seasons below .500 during his entire tenure, one of which was last year. His 3 'pretty bad years' included 5-11, 8-8, and 9-7 records. Coaches like Harbaugh have earned that leeway. Guys like Rhule have not, especially when year 2 is worse than year 1.

Looks like the Pro Bowl, not the Senior Bowl. The thread title threw me for a loop there.