45catfan

We were going heavy OL this draft anyway. At least that's how I saw it.

Yes, but many of the tackles in the 2nd are RTs and the few LTs project better to guard. I would persoanlly switch that sentiment in regards to CBs and tackles. Agreed, the Elfein and Erving signings were bad, especially Erving. If he's our starting LT on opening day, we are in for a LONG year. Sorry, the QB is in for a LONG year.

Bingo! My gut tells me Moton and agent are playing hard ball and the reason a new deal hasn't been struck yet. Right tackle's contracts are generally straight forward. I think they are angling for swing tackle or mid-tier left tackle money.

Either way it's a win-win and by trading for Darnold the Panthers at least have the luxury of making that decision. I can't stress this enough, Darnold was all about closing the door on Teddy MUCH more so than trying to read the tea leaves on the QBs heading into draft night. Bank on it.

How? If QB #3 or #4 falls to #8. Why? It's a cheaper version of what we gave Teddy and with one less year. Also Grier & Walker are clipboard holders/only break in case of and emergency types of backups. This is the NFL, stiff competition is needed at ALL positions unless they are top 3 in their respective position in the League. So no, Tom Brady, Aaron Rogers and Patrick Mahommes don't need competition, but Sam Darold does.

I wasn't trying to be snarky, but he literally popped into my head when you asked for a comp. You know what did it? I thought of QBs on sh!tty teams when I was growing up and the Bucs were the laughing stock of the League and I went "Oh, Steve Young!"

One immediately popped into my head-Steve Young

Things happen for a reason and honestly the asking price for Watson was WAY too steep. People are grumbling about a 2nd next year for Darnold versus multiple 1sts for Watson.

The only difference is we don't hate the Chiefs and they don't kick our a$$ year in and year out--many times twice a season.

I'm convinced it was a CYA move to keep from doing something they may have regretted on draft night out of desperation.

Of course they would. A-holes!

I swear I had no idea this was going down today, lol!!!! I was doing this mock purely off the rumor mill that the Jets were shopping Darold and we were (obviously) in the market for a QB. Complete coincidence.

You get the Chargers scenario where they had Drew Brees and still drafted Phillip Rivers (technically Eli). Not the worst thing in the world to have two top-flight QBs on cheap deal and get to sort out which one you really want to keep. Knowing us, we'll ship the better one off like the Chargers did Brees.

I think people are reading too much into the "they didn't like QBs #3 & #4" as opposed to ensuring we had Teddy's replacement already in house in case plans went awry on draft night. Teddy was not going to be here next season and Darnold was the nail in that coffin. In 12-24 months Sam might be very well be getting that same one-way ticket out of Charlotte. I mean does the staff love Grier and Walker that much?

I got what you are saying, so you don't have to keep reiterating it. I don't think you are are looking at the other side of the coin about hedging their bets. Do you KNOW they don't like Fields/Lance? Could it be they like them and a) didn't think they would be there or b) like them but didn't want to throw them to the wolves or c) both scenarios. You could be right, maybe they didn't like either of them, but at least consider the discussion could be a little bit more complex than that.

We are going to have to agree to disagree then. The main argument is this, if Teddy was even marginally better last year, we wouldn't even be picking the top half of the draft. We should not be in any position to draft a franchise QB after this year. Rhule seems awfully sure of himself and totally believes this team will be contenders form now on. That said, if Fields or Lance is there at #8, we would be hard pressed to pass them up, not without getting a king's ransom in trade value fully believing we should not be sniffing a top 10 pick in the foreseeable future. Again, think VALUE, not need.

It called hedging your bet. The front office could NOT RISK a run on QBs and be stuck with no options outside of starting Teddy again. Daronld was being shopped and Watson is radioactive right now. Things could have gone really bad on draft night if they didn't pull the trigger on this trade.

If Fields or Lance falls to #8, I wouldn't 100% bet against it. This is essentially a 2-year deal for Darnold. We gave up on Teddy after just 1 year and his contract ran 3years.

Guys this is about getting rid of Teddy, not necessarily taking us out of the QB market in the draft. The worst thing that could have happened was the 'big 4' were already gone and another team had already traded for Darnold prior to the draft. The front office couldn't risk that and be saddled with Teddy for another year.

Not exactly. Lance is the one that had to sit a year. We picked up Darnold's 5th year. If Darnold sucks this year, we at lest gave him a shot and can explore options, but most importantly it will give Lance the season to sit he needs.

I speculated he may go to Seattle (we have connections) to back up Russell Wilson. They have nobody if Russell gets injured. He's not going anywhere to be a starter.

Trade back with the Patriots now. After this laughable ruse of Jones to 9ers at #3 is debunked and he's sitting there at #8, we call Bill up in Boston and tell him Mac is all his for the right price. Then we draft Darrisaw at #15 and recoup our picks for Darnold. Funny, I literally did a mock a couple hours ago in the draft subforum based on us trading for Darnold. I promise I had no insider knowledge that this was actually going down while I was creating the mock. Look at the post time and while it was edited, that was over two hours ago.

I look at it this way, the guy was 1st round pick just a few years ago. The 6th rounder is likely a comp pick... so essentially an early 7th. We got the guy for a 4th and a 2nd when you boil it down. I thought it would take our early 3rd. Not terrible. We may get something for Teddy so we get one of the Day 3 picks back. A little rich, but we didn't get robbed. If this were Hurney making the deal, the Jets would have got #8.

I'm 90% sure that will not be the case. The team (Matt Rhule, in particular) will exhaust every feasible, logical avenue to ensure this does not happen. Right now, I think riding with Teddy as QB1 here is like option 'D' at this point, the "oh sh!t" plan if every other plan falls through.

Juan posting his selfies again.