1of10Charnatives

I like the way you think.

Let me be as clear as I possibly can... If the Panthers EVER sign this asshole for any reason other than to beat the poo out of him in the locker room and dump his body on I-85, I will cease to be a fan until he is no longer on the team. fug NO.

Tik Tok is proof that people will watch anything.

Why anyone would take anything said by anyone associated with professional wrestling seriously is beyond me.

Not nearly enough weight is given to, nor thought put into, the situation that QB finds themselves in upon being drafted. The teams drafting top 5 are almost always drafting there because they were awful the prior year, and while it's true that occasionally key injuries and other circumstances conspired against said team to leave them with an awful record, that's the exception rather than the rule. When a QB is drafted top 5, he's almost always going to a bad team, usually with less than stellar coaching and a less than stellar OL, offensive weapons, or facing regime change in the coaching staff. These aren't exactly the conditions that set one up for success. Mahomes was drafted tenth by a sound overall organization that had dipped slightly the year before. Rogers famously got passed over after being projected as a possible first pick, but then fell into a situation where he was afforded the luxury of sitting multiple years behind Brett Favre before being handed the reigns of a solid team. Rothlisberger walked into an ideal situation at the beginning of his career, where the hole at the position he played was the only really glaring one on the roster. Look at Josh Allen, who wasn't even great his first season, but was drafted by a team clearly on the upswing and a braintrust steadily improving the talent on the roster. So many factors around the QB make a huge impact on how much of a chance that QB has to succeed. What I'm very optimistic about for our next QB is that unlike Cam, anyone we draft should get a chance to throw behind a solid offensive line, to skill position players that aren't the dregs of the league. The only question mark at this point will be the coaching staff that QB plays for. Don't @#%! up the next one Dave.

What's the variable that changed from last week to this week?

YMMV but I don't know that I would call a qb with 55% completion percentage and 5 TD's to 6 INT's a franchise qb just yet. He had a good game monday against the Pats sure, but overall.... Could change but atm I'm not regretting not taking Fields.

Perhaps I wasn't clear about what I was asking for as an example. Montana was a young backup who beat out other young backups Benjamin and Cavanaugh. While Young was drafted 1st overall, he didn't join the 49er's until 1987, long after Montana had established himself as not only a starter but a Pro Bowler. I don't think Montana's situation compared to these gentleman parallels what we would be looking at if Corral started over a hyped first round pick, likely a top 10 selection, next year. At the point that Montana won the starting job, Benjamin and Cavanaugh were known quantities to their coaching staffs, both having been drafted in 78, they were not hyped newcomers. Montana was a mid round pick, but he took several years to earn the starting job and didn't get that job instead of a highly touted incoming prospect. That's the sort of example I was looking for, one which would more directly be comparable to Corral starting next year over a 1st round QB. Also, in Montana's era, QB's very rarely started as rookies. The modern game, with QB's passing heavily in high school and often learning pro style offenses in college, tends to produce QB prospects less likely to need years of seasoning to adapt to the pro game.

This. I lack the requisite self loathing as a fan to put myself through it.

Would never give the slightest bit of credence to either, but continue to show your preference for talking out of your ass there DK.

dammit! I hate that you might be right.

I don't care for baseball, but I like baseball movies because they boil baseball down to the bits where something happens. Major League, Field of Dreams, The Natural, Bull Durham, hell they even made a movie about baseball statistics watchable (admittedly Michael Lewis is one of my favorite writers, but the movie was objectively good in it's own right)

Ladies and gentlemen, the Dunning Kruger effect. I'm done here.

Again with the failed reading comprehension. You're just discrediting your own argument that Schefter isn't reporting credible information. They dealt McCaffrey, exactly as Shefter said for multiple picks. Are you really not reading the stuff you're even quoting? Then you can't even be bothered to write your own post, trying to be clever by parroting mine back at me. Dude. Stop. You're just embarrassing yourself at this point.

Oh poo, you done fuged up and gave me an excuse to get out my list. My own tropical island. A date with Gal Gadot. People to stop pretending driving 500 miles in a circle is a sport. Wolverine's healing ability. An extravagant villa on my tropical island staffed entirely by redheads who've been genetically modified to be able to tan. The power of flight. Roadwork on 85 to be done once and for all. Okay maybe that last one is a stretch.

*sighs* If someone offered two firsts for Burns, you check with your sources around the league until you identify one who confirms from the team that offered. Obviously, as the reporter you can't state which team, because that would come pretty close to outting your source with his own team. Does someone really need to explain this Mickey Mouse poo to you, or are you the sole arbiter of how the real world works? Really?

Hence the gist of my post being about good reporters verifying information through mulitples sources in different organizations. Congratulations, you've failed at reading comprehension.

You're killing me Smalls!

You don't think credible sports reporters verify info from one organization from other sources? That's basically the difference between guys like Shefter and the bottom feeders who just print rumors unsubstantiated. Those guys count on people not paying attention over time to whether their rumors have any truth behind them. You know who pays attention over time? Mr Scot. Why dont' you ask him who he regards as credible? You seem to be constructing a reality out of whole cloth that suits your narrative without actually worrying about what's true beyond your own opinion.

If Fitterer truly called the shots the last two drafts then I'm not impressed either. I tend to think that firing Rhule without also firing Fitts implies Rhule had enough control that we don't really know what Fitts might do if he got to call his own shots in the draft, unless Tepper is keeping Fitts around for the moment just so he can make all these trades for the tank. I am willing to wait and see whether Tepper retains Fitts through the end of the season, or at least the trade deadline. That would be suggestive one way or the other.

Adam Shefter not generally known to be full of poo. Let me make sure I have this straight, you're claiming to know better than Shefter, with years of experience and contacts all over the league, whether any team has offered two firsts to the Panthers or not? Let me be sure I'm clear on your position here.

2 firsts have already been offered according to very reliable sources. Care to revise your statement?

How did we even get this guy? I've been so disheartened with the Rhule & Co. shitshow that I stopped following the team closely. Literally haven't heard of the guy before today.

Solid inference.

Interesting. So he's learning to use his shiftiness and speed to beat run blockers? That implies his pass rushing could improve too as he matures as a player. He really has had no credible vet pass rusher to learn from since he's been here.