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Horrible would be an improvement. Most current female rappers are basically onlyfans thots behind a microphone. Listen to Lauryn Hill with The Fugees and then try to listen to that. Talk about destroying a genre.

Regarding Horn it's still very early so who can really say as of yet you know. I will say I've begun to wonder about our strength and conditioning staff.

Recent ESPN article suggested compensation says he will realistically fetch a late round pick. He will be 31 years old this fall with a 10 million dollar cap him next season that balloons to 21 million in 2028. So at most you're looking at a two year rental. When are we expecting to become competitive ie push for the playoffs? I just don't see such a move coinciding with our timeline. It really reminds me of the Gilmore trade in that regard. More of a Madden GM kind of move.

I don't know if I would go that far but definitely in the interest of Bryce's continued development we should all want to see Thielen 4th in receptions at most.

27 receptions 389 yards. That checks out.

I don't disagree for this season but my POV is that the coaches know he is on borrowed time and has at absolute most another season left in him after this. And while I am speculating I have to imagine that with the clear and orchestrated emphasis on getting younger across the roster the goal as the season progresses is to have the core of TMac XL Coker and one of our young TE's finish the season as the primary options on critical downs and in the red zone. That's not even mentioning the backfield and the pass catching ability there. We can simultaneously like Adam Thielen and also remain keenly aware he is very much temporary and here moreso to guide our young receivers and pass the torch. Same with Renfro. And if we are serious about actually competing for playoffs it's going to take those younger receivers stepping into key roles for it to happen.

I'm glad we can discuss this rationally. And to be abundantly clear this conversation is strictly about the production on the field. On a personal level I think Thielen is a great guy and a great teammate. Anywho. Just out of boredom I figured this would be an interesting subject to visit. See above for a comparison to other past WR's in his age group. I think he has above average hands and is a really good route runner but speed and YAC are not even on the radar in any capacity let's just be realistic. I just don't see a reality where he's more than a 3rd option on any other teams depth chart. And compared to some of the HOF names mentioned in the thread above who continued producing at a high level age 32 and beyond even in his best years over 11 seasons he's only reached 1k or more yards in a season three times. And one of those was with us in 2023 in what we all generally agree was a top to bottom failure of a season where we clearly force fed him the ball and our passing offense finished 30 out of 32 teams.

I'm genuinely not trying to be abrasive here but I think it is really important not to overstate Adam Thielen's significance to this offense and I get the sense some people are in a bit of a bubble in terms of their perception of his value because they are wearing Panthers shades. And that's fine mind you because it's June. But we should be realistic about some things here. He was the oldest active WR in the league last year and he will be 35 when preseason rolls around this year. We have some nice youth on the roster. We aren't likely to compete for playoffs this year barring a very nice surprise. Either way. Let's develop the young talent. It isn't about this season it's about the next several.

For a hamstring? You do realize only the Carolina Panthers value washed up receivers like Thielen and Renfrow the way we do right? Other teams are getting results out of younger receivers because they actually know how to develop young talent. That's what we need to be focused on.

The opening theme to TNG is etched into my earliest memories. To anyone who is a Trek fan and specifically a fan of TNG you should definitely give Picard a look especially the final season which ends on very nostalgic note.

I watched the whole thing and it was overall very encouraging. The trio of Morgan/Tilis/Canales has me feeling optimistic for the future. Now we need to see this on the field. As for Tepper. I don't mind him being in the draft room and giving basic input. Anything beyond that should and will ilicit criticism. Just be an owner and let the football people make the decisions when the time comes. And that's what he did so I have no complaints. I will say as far as the draft and FA we seem to have put a higher emphasis on seeking additions with the right mentality and high character. They're trying to instill a culture. I have no idea if it will work but at least they are making it a priority. That's all I can ask for at this juncture.

It's a start.

This is the one and only time I will listen to what Aaron Rodgers has to say on a subject of any kind. Let him cook.

Here's to hoping this years Blueprint series will end the cycle and be one to look back on years from now as the beginning of a return to respectability and winning.

That is true. Like I said I'm happy to see him get there. I'm just entering the season with the POV that this is really only about the development of our young roster and 2nd year head coach with the possibility of maybe lucking our way into competing for a playoff spot. So with that I'm all for getting everyone their share of looks especially on offense.

Kind of bizarre Hubbard is already on the cusp of surpassing McCaffrey considering how comically overused he was at times here. As much as I'd like to see Hubbard get over 4k this season the priority should be offensive versatility. We have a nice RB room and it's a long season. Spread the ball around.

Long range ability is already an upgrade over Pinero. But he's been on 6 teams in 5 years. I don't expect he's going to suddenly lock down the position for us for several years. Probably another situation like all our kickers the last few years. Brief high then back down to Earth.

I'm on the Ryan Fitzgerald wagon.

I don't have an issue whatsoever with investment in the trenches as long as it is done intelligently. We just need to make sure we're developing depth along the line too. And Center is next up on the *need to address* pecking order after this season.

As bad as things have been around this team over the years. At least we aren't the Falcons.

I hear you completely. Even after all that and the talk of lack of preseason reps we finally played our starters against the Bills backups and we thought we were confident. We obviously know how that turned out. This year it is best for everyone to temper any expecations until we see the team on the road the first two weeks of the season. The onus is on the Panthers to make believers out of the fanbase.

Yes and no. Actually last years training camp there were a lot of questions about a lack of deep passes and Bryce Young had a number of miscues that led to us incorrectly assuming our defense was actually decent. At one point Shy Tuttle had a turnover returned for a touchdown. Need I say more? I do agree joint practices will be the most telling though.

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I watched Canales press conference and he clearly stated they expect Tremble to be ready for training camp. This thread is suggesting Canales misspoke? Odd. https://www.reddit.com/r/panthers/comments/1kx2c1e/joe_person_tommy_tremble_had_successful_back/