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This is one of my key concerns lost in the sauce that is the neverending conversation about him evading pressure and the OL. Eventually any QB is going to have to step up into the pocket and show the defense they can still beat them even if they get through. We have a limited QB who cannot consistently do this and as such we are relegated to going back and forth about how successful he was at evading pressure but we have little else to write home about. Tyler Shough stepped up into the pocket and made plays despite being pressured and sacked. He's played in about 35 less games than Bryce Young. That is a problem. And isn't just going to go away. The Bucs are going to do the same thing after watching the film.

Icky getting beat and Bryce having no pocket awareness was the final nail in our missed opportunities to take control of that game. It isn't a take. It's what happened. Good god.

Looks like he's already back to his usual percentages against the Pistons. How on earth does Detroit have 21 wins and we are still poverty. Kon already sitting on 19 points

There was a time some folks were interested in us obtaining his services. Not looking good for this guy at all.

The OL officially gave up one sack. That was the one sack. You don't have to like it. You can list off the number of pressures until you're blue in the face it doesn't equal more sacks. Tyler Shough got pressured and sacked Plenty too. The result is the result.

Rams ended up firing ST coach and former Panthers coach Chase Blackburn after the loss. Sounds all too familiar.

Man I've lost all respect for you after this thread. First you continually try to change what was actually said. The focus of which was Bryce's robotic dropback and subsequent staredown never feeling the pressure from the left that resulted in that lone sack late in the 4th with the game on the line. Then you try to shame someone for working for a living even though I watched the 2nd 3rd and 4th quarter. In your eyes I somehow didn't watch the game at all. You are shitposting no different than anyone else in this thread or any other thread. Don't try to repackage it and act like you are so above it all.

Here's to hoping the team doesn't take the moment to honor a great Panther by embarrassing themselves at home.

Page after page after page after page of boosting him up but you don't actually think he's the answer. ForJimmy is a Mr. Scot clone.

It's crazy what several years of QB wasteland can do to our perception of a guy like Mariota. The Eagles are a really unpredictable team in the regular season and can be downright bad at times but if they're in the playoffs I think they're still a tough matchup.

I watched most of the game I had to work part of the day. It's interesting you think anyone who doesn't automatically agree with you didn't actually watch the games. Yet you accuse others of talking out their ass.

Yeah because we all know Bryce Young has spent the majority of his 43 career games immediately looking "downfield".

Regardless of Icky whiffing horribly on that play from the moment the ball was snapped Bryce was a deer in the headlights and never even turned his head in either direction. Not what you want to see from your left tackle but also not what you want to see that late in the game from your third year QB who you have gone out of your way to point out had recognized and felt pressure at other points in the game. You can rabble on the rest of the night about people not watching the game. Doesn't change the facts. Doesn't unring that bell that was opportunity knocking for the division and a playoff spot.

Plenty of us even the outspoken critics have give him credit for the impressive plays he's made. The box score watcher claims do make me laugh though because it's not as if Bryce is some kind of unicorn at the position where there is an untold story in the stat line. That's also very indicative of where we're at though on the whole conversation isn't it? I mean Bryce Young hasn't done anything whatsoever that we haven't seen UDFA Kyle Allen do and we only gave that guy 12 starts. Bryce Young has had nearly 4 times that and there are still some people who are basically resetting the clock between games. And these same people cannot understand why others are fed up. We've never seen this level of benefit of the doubt for any other Panthers QB based on a full picture of career starts. At this point the meat of Bryce's game is what it is. In order for Bryce Young to have a big day he needs either the other team to shīt the bed or he needs everything on our end to go perfectly with excellent pass protection virtually at all times. But how rare is that? How many times have we just blown the doors off teams with Bryce Young at QB and when that happened how did we accomplish it? There's a reason even the most impressive wins from Bryce Young have always been within one score. The limitations of his game are what they are regardless of how talented the moving parts around him may or may not be. Nothing in that regard has changed or will change. It is what it is.

It's all about evaluating the full body of work. Winning multiple close games by the skin of your teeth and then losing divisional games against inferior opponents like the Saints when something is finally on the line doesn't sound sustainable. We win when it's not expected and flounder when there are expectations. We perceive any wins as massive improvement when in reality we are at the bare floor of what competitive teams expect let alone actual consistent playoff contenders.

Idzik at this point is an afterthought and should be regarded as such going forward. In terms of Canales as playcaller there's just nothing I've seen to suggest that he is or will ever get to the caliber of a Sean McVay or Andy Reid where you say to yourself this guy should always be calling plays. The only coaches he's truly outcoached in top to bottom blowouts are guys like Raheem Morris and Antonio Pierce. Not impressed. There's nothing wrong with having a capable OC and many teams in the league operate this way just fine. We'll see how it all shakes out though.

This is the second time someone has thrown Matt Kalil in my face and I am just flabbergasted anyone thinks that is some kind of gotcha. That was always a very stupid decision and a panic move fully created by Dave Gettleman's lack of ability to build an OL through the draft despite his entire persona revolving around hog mollies. And while throwing Matt Kalil in my face you wholly omit the fact that Cam Newton had this team competing in the division with Byron Bell on his left and Nate Chandler on his right. Then we added Amini Silatolu for good measure. Is there a specific reason you're wanting to go back 15 years now? Suddenly you don't want to discuss the amount of money and draft capital we have tied up in this offense present day? If you want to take a stroll down memory lane let's talk turkey. From 1998 to 2013 the Panthers never selected a first round WR in any draft. That's none in fifteen years. FIFTEEN YEARS. Then after drafting Kelvin Benjamin we didn't draft another WR in the first round until 2018. We have drafted first round WR's in back to back drafts in 2024 and 2025 including at 8th overall for the first time in franchise history. We left the linebacker room to be a complete empty void in order to continue to build up this offense. If you truly see any parallels with our historic investment in the offense present day to past teams you might as well be Mr. Magoo. This was always primarily a defensive team identity wise for the better part of 2 decades and any Panthers fan worth their salt knows this. Why I'm having to argue this with you is absurd.

Evans is still in his first year so the learning process is still in full swing. Tremble and Evans should have a firmer grasp to say the least. But as critical as we can be of the group and the ridiculous inconsistency we should keep coming back to Canales. Where is the development? As I said in another thread he needs to relinquish playcalling duties and focus on the the moving parts of the team as a whole. His stubborn resistance to this is going to end with him getting fired. Just my opinion.

Blow out the Falcons. Blown out by the Patriots. Squeak by the Dolphins with a QB they just benched (who is Bryce Young's best comp). Squeak by the Cowboys. Squeak by the Jets in an abysmal offensive performance. Blown out by the Bills. Squeak by the Packers. Lose to the Saints starting a rookie QB who has a career day. Squeak by the Falcons. Lose in embarrassing fashion to the 49ers in primetime. Squeak by the Rams. Lose to the Saints with the same rookie QB with the division and playoffs on the line. When you see it all in print it really isn't impressive. Could argue we need both a new QB and a new head coach.

I presented that scenario because this is a home game and we seemed to have improved in some capacity in that area as of recently. The problem with the possibility of sweeping the Bucs is this team has had a habit of quickly falling victim to momentum shifts. The Bucs are coming off a bitter loss the same as the Panthers but the Bucs have a much better proven track record this time of year and they have performed when the pressure is on unlike our Panthers. We have a shot against the Seahawks here in BOA but that is a matchup that could quickly get out of hand because they are a well coached team and that goes back to the momentum shifts I mentioned. I just don't see this team beating the Bucs in their stadium to close the season. Tall order to say the least.

The Panthers are so comically inconsistent they could very well defeat the Bucs this Sunday and then lose the final 2 games.

The same folks crying about the OL right now were crying about it in 2023 too. We have tied up over 100 million dollars in two interior olinemen alone and we have Taylor Moton inked to a recent extension. We've invested multiple first and second round picks in the offense. We hired an offensive minded head coach. This is an offensive team. The offense needs to produce or people need to be replaced.

This is the same place that has ridiculed and blasted Caleb Williams at every opportunity he has his team sitting at 10-4 in the same NFC that the Panthers are competing in. And their division in the NFC North is as or more competitive as our division. Yet from the same people who have very high standards for Williams we get every excuse imaginable for the smallest starting QB in the league even when he and his team continue to disappoint when the pressure is on. You lot aren't any less inconsistent than anyone else.

Nobody on the huddle is saying we have an elite group offensively across the board. They aren't great. They're young. If you are expecting someone to agree with your position of blaming everyone around Bryce Young nearly three full seasons into his career you are going to be left holding the bag save for a handful of people who act like they are paid to defend his honor. Bryce Young is not a guy who has had to claw and fight his way into starting jobs in football. He's had the best to work with and been gifted roles since he was a teenager. The Panthers have one of the youngest rosters in the league and with us needing an infusion of young defensive talent in the upcoming draft we're only going to get younger. We need a QB who possesses the ability to elevate those around him. If you can't agree with me on that then there's nothing further to discuss.

All Bryce and the Panthers had to do was split with the Saints and a rookie QB. The bar was so low. They even had a whole bye week to prepare. The time for singing kumbaya was before that game. Anyone still talking about Bryce earning a second contract 43 games into his career is living a fantasy. He might get one from the Tepper owned Panthers but he's damn sure not earned it.