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Only a year ago Tepper told us he doesn't need elite WR's because he's so good.

That's leadership. Any jabroni can hold it together making millions while losing. The elite QB's want to win and will do whatever it takes and sacrifice their own time to do so. That is what made Stroud an MVP candidate at one point last year as a rookie despite all the naysayers portraying him as lacking IQ and ironically leadership ability.

Williams seems to have high bust probability but some of the rhetoric around him reminds me of Levis. Most of it will blow over. All that will matter is commitment to football. But for me nothing against him personally I hope he is a bust because fug the Bears and we have lost enough on that trade we don't need him becoming a franchise QB too. All this being said. Holy moley there is some lip service being given in here about the leadership of our own QB. Yeah man he sure looked composed out there while we were getting our poo pushed in by the Jaguars missing their starting QB. Some of you are truly professional shoe shiners.

Certainly we can and we probably will but that doesn't mean we take one at 33 and 39. Center is also a huge looming need. And if I'm just being honest here. I feel it's a high probability that either rookie will receive the same flack Mingo has because they aren't able to elevate the arm talent or lack thereof from Bryce Young. At the end of the day we could have Justin Jefferson and our offense would still struggle to score points if our "franchise" QB has no deep passing ability.

I worry that the Tepper's will allow some level of butchery like this to be done to the Panthers uniforms. All the more important that Dan Morgan is a success here. He and Steve Smith Sr are probably the only individuals close to the team that would tell it like it is on potential redesigns.

This is a joke right? If that's rebranding I'll just keep what we've got.

I don't seem to recall much of this from 2011 to 2018. People were way more brutal about this with Cam Newton and he had one of the most prolific rookie seasons of all time and was our only MVP in franchise history. Bryce Young has to earn it like any other top pick before him. We might not like it. But that's the way it's always been.

Alright this one got me. "Bryce hold for a pic we need this one for the carolinahuddledotcom"

What Cam Newton did as a rookie in a lockout year is nothing short of remarkable. I just don't see that drive in Bryce Young. He's never been through the adversity Cam endured at either level. I believe a part of why he was made the pick is because the Tepper's thought he was the most marketable.

Sam Darnold also enjoyed his time away from football early in his career. It's just a job right?

Maybe taking time off works for him. People react differently. But the optics of it from a first overall pick that also took time off to do nothing at the combine are.... not good.

Well it can't be any worse than what we've been doing already. Might as well try something completely different.

I tend to lean toward your side on the Lawrence debate here. The one game people have to fall back on is the comeback playoff win but he helped dig that hole. And hey even Daniel Jones had a playoff win where it looked like everything was finally clicking. Then bam. But regardless. Lawrence is going to likely go on to be an above average QB. Certainly not worth where he was drafted. But I'd rather be saddled with that than arguing about how our own QB is just like Drew Brees despite finishing with one of the worst statistical passing seasons of the last 20 or so odd years. You know we are in the cellar when we're slightly envious of even the fuging Jaguars.

No more of this Scott Fitterer mess. Don't overthink it. Take a damn good player at 33 and 39 and keep it pushing.

Absolutely. How many of them were "superprocessors" on the football IQ scale though? Really though. It is enormously concerning that someone with a limited arm who was praised over and over and over for his ability to process plays had such a disastrous season as a passer and had a game where he threw not one but two pick sixes to the same defender. The only game we truly have to hang our hats on (I don't count the Texans win because we absolutely labored to score 15 points even Kyle Allen put up better passing outings come on) is the Green Bay game and their defense is hot garbage (we are applying the same standards that we did for Andy Dalton's lone start when all anyone wanted to talk about was how bad their secondary was). We have to be consistent. Beyond that. What did any of those QB's truly bring on the leadership front? Zach Wilson Mac Jones and let's even tie in Sam Darnold on this are a couple of jabronis. How many of them were repeatedly lauded for having the leadership of Peyton Manning? None right? So why do we need to make excuses and convince ourselves one or two throwing sessions in 12 months from our top pick is just gravy? Expect more!

I'm seeing some takes in here that remind of last year when folks were talking down to others about how it was only preseason and our offense and particularly our QB aren't really that bad. How many QB's had a worse deep ball than Bryce Young last year? How many had a lower YPA? Everyone should want him to go above and beyond.

Drafting a linebacker with our first pick would certainly be...something. I'd be fine with taking the best center on the board.

What we've had: What we need:

We need a QB with some fire in his belly. It's interesting though when you account for the fact that in actuality that adversity Cam went through before Auburn made him the QB he went on to become on and off the field. As much as he rightly points out that they did him wrong they truthfully did him a favor. They motivated him to elevate his game. When you are seeking a QB at #1 that's what you want. When you compare and contrast that with Bryce Young's rise through high school and college with the best coaches around him it really highlights the differences and shows why he had such a rude welcome to the national football league (all physical attributes talk aside).

Brees had arm talent at both levels that Young seems to very much lack. That is just a fact that cannot be understated at this time. Considering the quality of coaches and GM's the Panthers have hired the last few years should we really be trying to dunk on one another about knowing less than them? We've addressed the interior of the OL significantly. That's a very good start. Although some fans myself included would suggest center is still a looming potentially serious concern if we do not seek legit alternatives for depth. Still. This all hinges on Bryce Young not only improving his footwork within the pocket but firing off those passes that at times last year he clearly did not choose to attempt to make. Defenses saw that on the tape and shut our offense down accordingly. That was just as detrimental as the OL was. I'm trying to be as realistic as I can entering the season. I do have some level of hope but I'm also going to remain grounded in reality and reality says phsyically Bryce Young really really needed to add any significant level of bulk and muscle to assist the development of his game. That hasn't happened. That's put a definite damper on my optimism for the time being regardless of the hope I have for Canales ability to develop QB's. He can certainly help. But he is by no means a magician either. He has what he has to work with. In that regard I would very much feel better as some level of insurance if we did like some of these other teams last season and added a young QB3 we don't even need to draft one just pluck one of the undrafted kids. We need to put Bryce Young in the best possible situation to succeed for sure but we also don't need anymore of this coddling mess either. If we see reruns of last season on offense eventually for the good of the team you have to let someone else see if they can give us a spark. I don't want that to happen but I absolutely want us to be preparing for the possibility because being a laughingstock is really getting old. *mic drop*

Bryce Young is smaller than Johnny Football and people are still out here making comparisons to hall of famers. How about we start small (no pun intended) and let this guy actually show any level of an NFL deep ball in his second season as a pro? Sound good? Awesome.

Drew Brees comparison again. Fun times.

At one time long ago it was usually mildly entertaining but then he went off the rails on a Kanye Westesque rant about the Jews and he's been circling the drain ever since.