U must have forgotten how this conversation started. Someone stated that Bieniemy was horrible and he would be a failure and I asked what made them think that. It's not about me making a case for Bieniemy there are plenty examples of coaches getting jobs before him where he was better qualified for the job, for Pete's sake the Giants hired a freaking Special teams coordinator over him a few seasons ago!! We all know black coaches don't get the chances that white coaches do there is no disputing that so we can talk in circles to end up back in the same place.