tukafan21

This reeks of 2015 and defending Rivera’s constant screw ups just because we were winning. We were great that year in spite of Rivera, not because of him. I’m not complaining about T-Mac not scoring, I’m questioning why we have had numerous chances to throw it up to our best red zone weapon through 3 weeks and haven’t taken that chance one time. Winning games, even a blowout, doesn’t mean you can’t question the legitimate questionable decisions by the coaching staff.

Of course he is lol, and it's great to get a big win, so it's not like it cost us the game. But I just flat out understand how we can have a weapon like him and just flat out have refused to throw him a single end zone jump ball yet given how many snaps we've had in the situations where it was possible. That so far through 3 weeks teams keep leaving him out there on an island, is just a bad look on the coaching staff to not even attempt that pass a single time. You have to punish teams for doing that, even if it ends up an incompletion, you have to put it on tape to make future opponents plan for it and start sending a 2nd player out there, which in turn will open up more options for other guys.

Was upset about this last week when he kept getting single covered down there and we never looked his way besides the one terrible Bryce throw. If there was a single thing T-Mac is best at, it's red zone jump balls when covered 1 on 1 from inside the 10. We've probably had at least 5-7 snaps where we had the opportunity to call an audible and throw that pass and we haven't taken it one time. I just don't get it. Great win, but this is getting frustrating to not see them even attempt to use our best red zone weapon through 3 weeks (and I swear, this is only 2% motivated by my Fantasy team wanting a T-Mac TD already)

Totally get it, and if we've only had a small handful of opportunities this year to do it, I wouldn't be so frustrated. But I'm guessing we've taken at least 15 snaps from inside the 10 already this year, at least half of them T-Mac has been single covered, and the only time we've even looked his way, Bryce threw a god awful pass that he never had a chance to catch.

Cool, we scored another TD, but I'm starting to get soooooooooooooo pissed off that we just flat out refuse to target T-Mac in the red zone, particularly when he keeps getting single covered. It makes no fuging sense to me, he's our best red zone option and I think he has 1 target from inside the 10 yard line in the first 3 weeks despite us taking probably 15+ snaps in those situations already, with a good amount of him getting single coverage on them. Call a fuging audible, throw the ball up to him, what are we even doing?!?!?!?!

Threw it to the wrong shoulder to give him a legit chance though, even for someone who makes crazy catches like T-Mac does, that pass really didn't give him a realistic shot at making one there. Throw it to the other side of him and he can go up strong for it and Moss the defender instead of needing to make a last second turn to attempt a spectacular one handed grab because that's all he could do in the situation.

Yep, I think if we saw the replay from the other angle it would be one where you see him look up field before securing the catch as he knew he had a ton of room. Rookie mistake, it happens and he'll learn from it

Everyone is attacking the play calling right now (and sure, I didn't love the 2nd down run after that 1st down play), but if T-Mac catches that ball, good chance he ends up getting a 1st down there. That one was on T-Mac, not the play calling

Oh I get it, but even with Bryce's noodle arm, if you have a burner on the outside who is beating his man down the field with zero safety help, even Bryce can heave it 55-60 yards to him if he gets the time in the pocket, so you still need to keep a safety with an eye on those routes when he's on the field.

Or you could look at it as the only outside speedster option is down, and dressing Horn would allow us to still have someone running some go-routes on the outside to try and keep some safety help deep instead of shading over to T-Mac's side of the field on every snap. Even if there is a 0% interest in actually throwing the deep ball to Horn Jr on those plays, at least it would just be useful for keeping the defense honest.

I'm starting to thin Horn Jr is going to be one of those mini camp wonders who never is anything meaningful, and I really liked what I saw/heard about him from early camp reports too. But if he can't even get a jersey the week we're down one of our other WRs, then I'm not sure there's much hope for him on the horizon

I genuinely can’t figure out how or why they’re ranked like this Each level has players that don’t have anything in common, so even though I know it’s not some serious rankings, I still can’t figure out what these are based on lol EDIT: I’m and idiot, never saw the “Week 2” there, this is a ranking of how they played in week 2 vs 1. Okay, makes more sense, but yea, no way you can have Bryce in “above average”

If we land #1 overall, sure I'd like to be able to grab a QB, but only if there really is a can't miss guy who should go #1 overall, not someone who should go mid first but they go #1 because those teams need QBs, that's how we got in this mess. Part of me hopes it ends up a down year for QB prospects and we play it smart and get a Bears like haul in return for ours and then sign someone like Jameis for the season and maybe take a flyer on a 2nd or 3rd rounder at QB. Sure 2026 might suck, but landing a few extra 1st rounders and maybe even a quality player could really help expedite turning the franchise around and having a well built out roster before you draft and insert a QB into it to contend on their rookie contract.

Totally fair, I was just pointing out that since the 1992 season, if you say Hurts is still a HOF TBD, there have only been 4 SB winning QB's who aren't already in the HOF or HOF locks. Which in itself is just a crazy thing to look at and is proof that you can't just win a SB with a great roster, you really do need an elite QB.

Right team, wrong year and player. Since the 2003 season, there are only 2 SB winning QB's who won't end up in the HOF (Hurts not included as I think that's still up in the air), would be Flacco and Foles. The next worst QB to win in that time frame would be Eli, followed by Wilson, and then Big Ben. The other SB winning QB's since then... Brady, Mahomes, Stafford, Peyton, Rodgers, Brees... basically some of the best to ever play the game and Stafford, a surefire HOFer after winning his SB. You have to go back to the 2002 season to find a truly average QB to have won the SB with Brad Johnson and then 2 years before that with Dilfer. Before that, you have to go all the way back to the 1991 season when the Redskins won, everyone else between there are HOFers.

For me it was the incompletion to Sanders. Yes, Sanders still should have caught the ball anyways, but Bryce had to make a jump pass from a standing still position because of his height and oncoming pass rusher. Because of that combined with his weak arm, it was a low pass, whereas a QB with a real NFL arm (and size) is making that throw with ease and still hitting the receiver in the chest with the ball, not down by their knees.

This is literally all it ever comes down to for me with Bryce. He doesn't have a single physical trait at the average level of a starting QB in the NFL, it's why the draft pick itself just never made any sense to me. Picking Bryce (for any team) was always going to be betting on him becoming the biggest outlier in the history of the sport/position because of his "super brain" he sold everyone on. Just that FACT alone should have kept him out of any discussion for a #1 overall pick, let alone a massive trade up to go get him. So then, if that super brain hasn't figured it out by Year 3, it's pretty clear that he never will, and when that's the case, his physical limitations just don't allow him to be a successful long term solution.

The toe was bad, the walking slowly back to the LOS at the end of the first half was SOOOOOOOOOO much worse. That's literally middle school football 101, end of a half in the hurry up, you don't just casually stroll back to the LOS, just mind boggling how that can happen in the NFL like that.

It's not like he's a Greg Hardy or Deshaun Watson. Those are bad people in a totally different way than Smitty is a "bad person" like you say. Being a jerk shouldn't factor into where he ranks amongst other players in a franchise's history. Luke's career was too short, Peppers left on his own for half his career before returning at the end, and Cam, for as great as he was, was still a very up and down passer who couldn't lead us to back to back winning seasons (don't hate on me, Cam is my Quarterback, love him to death, but just calling it objectively like I see it). Smitty was a special teams draft pick who's dog mentality drove him to a HOF career as a truly 1 of 1 type of player for his position. There has never been before, or since, a player of Smith's size who plays the WR position the way he did. Don't like him all you want, but he's still the Panthers GOAT, sorry.

He's just upset that T-Mac is making him look like a fool and already looking like he might be a long term threat to his status as the Panthers WR GOAT. Trust me, Smitty is my guy, in my opinion, he's the Panthers overall GOAT too, with all due respect to Cam, Luke, and Peppers. But he does seem like the type to me to be upset about being wrong on the guy who is going to be a threat to his records and franchise standing.

Hopefully, because he wouldn't be eating too many W's here

You really think the Bengals are going to give up a 2nd round pick, particularly given their current cap situation, for a 3 month rental of Bryce with the hopes of him keeping them in the hunt until Burrow comes back?!?! That would be a completely asinine move on their part. They're almost certainly going to just go with Browning while bringing in a vet to help mentor him. Which is why I think they'd give up a 6th or 7th to bring Dalton back home to be that guy. And given the Giants having absolutely no use for Jameis, I think they'd be willing to move him for that late round pick right now too.

He's on pace for 1,428 right now with Bryce With Jameis for a 17 game season, he legit could lead the league in receiving yards as a rookie.

3 Team Trade... Bengals receive Dalton from Panthers Giants receive late draft pick from Bengals Panthers receive Jameis from the Giants Gives us a big fearless arm to eventually put into the lineup when Bryce gets hurt or sucks more, which will help us develop T-Mac, Coker, Brycen, Horn Jr, Sanders, Evans, and XL.