tukafan21

Wow, just looked up some stats, yea... Olsen stands no chance. What would everyone say about Zach Ertz's chances at making the HOF? Exactly, nobody would even consider it a possibility. Olsen played in 31 more games than Ertz did, but is only 595 yards and 7 TDs behind Olsen's numbers. And while Olsen has the 3 straight 1k seasons and Ertz only has 1, they each have the same number of seasons with more than 800 yards and Ertz's high season is slightly above Olsen's. A repeat of last season for Ertz, playing in 17 games with 654 yards and 7 TDs would push him past Olsen's yardage, tie his TDs, and have done it in almost a full season less of games played, while also having a SB ring. Olsen being the first TE to have 3 straight 1k seasons is pretty much the only feather in his HOF resume's cap, and unfortunately that won't be something to even get him consideration in the end.

I actually think that as long as he has a solid camp and makes the team (which is more likely than not), that Horn will have a bigger role than some expect, because he really is just different than any of the others. Most #6 WR's won't even be active on game days, let alone get any snaps. But his speed/agility is unique compared to the rest of the WR unit to where they're going to have plays in the game plan every week to utilize him. Even if at times he's just out there as a decoy to keep safeties honest by having him run some go routes, or putting him in motion for play action to force the defense to react.

The difference is that T-Mac also regularly did it in games throughout his career too, he's not doing it just to be flashy in practice, he legitimately practices it because he's able to translate it to gamedays. Also, as I've said so many times but some people still don't like to see it for some reason, T-Mac is a such a perfect fit for Bryce that it's not even funny. Bryce excels with two things in particular, placing the ball with touch and improvising. T-Mac is outstanding at finding holes in the coverage on broken plays and giving his QB a big target to find, it's what him and his college QB (who was also his HS QB) did best. And because of his absurd catch radius, it allows Bryce to put those touch passes in a place that only T-Mac can catch it. Horn is going to be great to get the ball to in space, but realistically, pure speedsters are best with strong armed QB's who can take advantage of the deep ball and throwing it past the defense for the WR to run under it, that's not Bryce.

No he won't, and that's nothing against Brown or what he can be, but DT's are only considered "generational" when they also rack up sacks. He can still be an elite player for us, make pro bowls and all pro teams, but unless he significantly increases his sack total, he'll never make it to the "generational" label, just the nature of the position and today's game. Racking up tackles from the DL just doesn't flash enough to earn that standing these days.

Neither stand any chance of making it under the new voting rules (and hopefully they still change them back, as the new rules will end up keeping TONS of deserving players out). Even under the old rules, Olsen would only have had a very outside chance if the TE position didn't keep putting up bigger and bigger numbers ever year, but since they are, he'd likely never make it either. TD is a legit Panthers legend, maybe the most "Panthers" player of all time, but league-wide is more of a feel good story with his 3 ACL recoveries and a WPMOY award, but that's not going to get him into the HOF unfortunately.

lol, in a post I think yesterday I literally said "T-Mac does his Inspector Gadget thing on bad practice passes all the time"

This is ridiculous, Redzone I wouldn't have cared much about, because that's just the games on Sundays. But NFL Network makes no sense, the best thing about it is that it's different than ESPN, which I haven't watched a single thing on it besides live sports for close to 10 years now, even the NFL draft I stick to the NFL Network coverage.

I told ya'll, he was going to make some absurd catches in camp that gets people buzzing because his hands are just off the charts good. But THIS also wasn't quite what I was expecting, usually he's making stupid catches in practice when a QB misses him and he does his Inspector Gadget thing and his arm extends 10 feet, this was just crazy though for him to turn and have the water boy there in his way and still snag it.

lol, this might be the first time someone brought up T-Mac vs Hunter in 2024 and it wasn't me who had to speak the truth about that game. But just to add to the correct post above, it also wasn't like Arizona forced their way to have T-Mac not get matched up against Hunter that game either. Hunter came into the game banged up, was in and out of the game in the first half and then was in street clothes after halftime. Go watch one of the videos of their 2023 matchup, because not only did T-Mac catch a nasty TD against Hunter, the tape is littered with badly missed PI's by Hunter as well as a few times his QB just was off target after T-Mac beat Hunter's coverage.

Apples to Oranges Kuechly was a generational player, especially with his mental side of the game which helped the defense in a way few (if any) other defensive players ever have. If there was another Kuechly, then yea, it's a different story in how important of a player they would be to the defense. Also, the game has changed in even the short time since Luke retired, I think an elite corner is the 2nd most important player to have on defense after an elite pass rusher with how the game is played these days.

Maybe, and I'd still have been pushing for T-Mac, but I was very loud about being anti Walker because I hated the fit of him as an OLB in a 3-4 with his size. Had the discussion been about him being a 3-4 ILB who pass rushes situationally (and realistically, a future OLB when we move back to a 4-3 at some point), I'd have been much more on board with that option.

Realistically he's a 4-3 OLB, but I think in a 3-4, he's better off as an ILB who can then shift to OLB in some pass rush situations.

Not necessarily, if anything, I think there is an argument to be made that it's the least important position in football, so I don't take issue with them leaving it for last during this re-build. Honestly the only position I think you could argue is less important to have studs is RB. Today's NFL is about the passing game. So you need the QB and WRs, as well as the OL to protect and give time for your passing game. While the opposite is true on defense, that you need the pass rush and secondary to be your strongest units to defend against the pass. There is a reason you don't see MLB's get drafted early in the 1st Round unless they're a true generational talent, like a Kuechly.

Maybe this puts Moehrig and Ransom on the field at the same time more. A lot of people questioned the pick because both of them are most effective playing closer to the LOS than deep in the secondary, so maybe this makes us use one as a hybrid LB/S at times.

lol I’m not laughing at him still having concussion related symptoms, because that’s awful of course. But I was one of the most vocal anti-Walker people on here leading into the draft. And while I’d obviously have still gone with T-Mac, had I known this would happen, I’d have been MUCH more on board with taking Walker to be an ILB who gets used as a situational pass rusher as well.

To be fair, with Bryce as his QB, it's probably better for him to get holding penalties if his man is going to beat him than let Bryce take clean shots from his blindside, that's a good way to get your 5'10" 200 lbs QB broken in half if you don't take those penalties.

This contract doesn't make any sense How does a RT who has never made the Pro Bowl or made an All Pro (granted he finished 3rd in the voting at RT this past season) get the largest signing bonus for an OL in NFL history? It's really just becoming that every borderline great player who's time is up for a new contract sets some new bar for the next one to top, regardless of how elite of a player they are, it's getting out of hand.

LOL, just gets more murky every minute Just heard on the radio that Stewart’s agent has only one other 1st round client, Zay Flowers last year, who did NOT have this language in his contract. So guess it’s not EVERY other team who does this and the agent has history of not having it included, hence their stubbornness. So now was the Bengals president lying in this article? poo just gets crazier and less clear by the minute haha

Exactly If no 1st rounders ever had those clauses, then it’s not about not signing a contract that puts your money at risk if you do something stupid, it’s about not signing a contract that nobody else has been asked to sign. But now knowing it’s just that he’d be the first Bengal to have to sign that kind of deal, just because they were dumb to not include it earlier when EVERY other team has now been including them, the blame now shifts back to Stewart’s camp and is a really bad look. Sure, the agent is right to ask to not have it included based on Bengals precedent, but once the team really put their foot in the ground, you just have to cave since it’s the league wide precedent now.

So... what they're saying is that we went from having maybe the worst WR room in the league last year to it being the biggest strength of the roster this year... Just because we drafted Tetairoa McMillan GOAT status already, LFG!!!!!!!!

Interesting...... In an article on ESPN today about this situation, there was a piece in there that I hadn't heard before and now completely changes my view on this situation. Previously I had blamed the Bengals for trying to include a new clause into the contract for Stewart that hadn't been done before. But it turns out (assuming this is legitimate and not the team just lying) while it's true that it would be the first time the Bengals insisted on this language in the contract, they are the ONLY team who didn't previously have it in there, that all the other teams have now included it and they're finally jumping on that ship themselves. If that's really true, then it's on Stewart and his agent at this point. I get not wanting to sign a contract that the team had never done before, but when all 31 of the other teams have been including it in their 1st round contracts and the Bengals are just the last to finally do it themselves, I don't think it's something to throw this kind of fit over from the player/agent side of it. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/45788560/bengals-prez-brown-foolishness-shemar-stewart-unsigned

100% all of this Basically the only thing this offensive roster doesn't have right now is an already established #1 WR, and that's only because our #1 WR is a rookie. It's time for Bryce to live up to his draft (and trade) status. Unless T-Mac completely busts (which I clearly don't see happening) and XL regresses at the same time, there are just zero excuses for Bryce to not produce at a high level this year unless he just isn't able to do so, and then it's time for the conversation.

lol at everyone wishing we had some stud backup QB Dalton not being a HOFer doesn't mean he's not a great mentor and partial coach to Bryce, he's been in the league forever and seen tons of things, he has so much knowledge to pass on. Most of the good coaches in the league were middling players at best, so it's weird to think Dalton not having playoff success means he can only be teaching Bryce the wrong things. Also, if Bryce craps the bed or gets hurt, we're probably better off with a bad backup who isn't going to win us games and end up with a top draft pick to take a new QB next year anyways. If Bryce doesn't prove to be our QB of the future this year, the worst case scenario would be for a backup to find a way to win enough games to put us drafting like 13th next year.