tukafan21

I've advocated for trading back, but have never said a "haul" because I know nobody is giving that up with this QB class, if that were the case, we'd just take the player. But just looking at the 2025 QB situations, there might just be such a dearth of teams looking for a new QB in the offseason that there isn't even the ability to get ANY trade offers for #1 unless someone falls in love with a non QB that they just have to draft. My preference would be to try and trade back to the 4-6 range to hopefully pick up a single future 1st, but even that seems lofty expectations in this draft class, and then take our first choice WR (my preference has clearly been shown as T-Mac of course). Get that true #1 WR in the draft this year and then draft a new QB in 2026 who steps in with a 2nd year stud already to throw to and hope we have a great duo for the next decade because of it.

I actually wouldn't be surprised if they would be very against that. Even with the great relationship Eli has with the franchise, I can't see them wanting to have to play in his Uncle's looming shadow while also dealing with the NYC media and fan base on top of it. The kid has enough pressure on him already, playing for the Giants, Colts, or Broncos would be very tough for him to do I think

Most of the league is pretty set at their 2025 starting QB right now, whether it be their starter right now or a situation like the Patriots or Falcons, where they already have their future QB as their backup. I could see scenarios play out where any of the Titans, Rams, Dolphins, Saints, Seahawks, Jets are looking for new QBs, but they seem really remote and/or they'd be picking too far back in the draft for it to be worth us trading back. Steelers and Browns both seem very likely to be looking for new QBs next year, but again, both seem unlikely to be picking in the Top 10 in the end. Really just leaves the Giants and Raiders as teams I think could be looking for new QBs in 2025 and have Top 10 picks. But they're more likely to learn from our mistake and not want to give up a haul to trade up in a weak QB draft. We basically would need to be #1, have the Giants at #2, and then the Raiders or another surprising QB needy team to be inside the Top 5 to have any leverage in getting a good return. If not that, we'd need someone else in the Top 10 to be as big of rubes as we were and give up something stupid to move up to #1 when there wasn't a clear top QB and/or threat of another team trading into the pick.

Anyone who seriously tries to defend saying that wasn't PI, either doesn't know the rules of football and/or are just complete Chiefs haters. "two players going for the ball" isn't when the defender goes through the offensive player's back to try and get to the ball, it never has been and it never will be. Call that with 1 second left in the SB against the Panthers and there is still nothing to argue about except the defender being an idiot and giving the game away.

He knows he’s a bust and every time he steps on the field it makes him look even worse cant really blame him for feeling this way, if he played any other position he would at least just be buried on the depth chart until getting cut, but you can’t do that with a #1 pick QB

This is yet again why firing Reich was a bad idea We can’t fire another coach after one season, no matter how bad this year goes, Canales isn’t going anywhere. Should have just sucked with Reich again so we could fire him and bring in a new coach next year to start the re-build from the ground up. We can’t even be terrible the right way

Well the Vikings aren't a team who will give up a solid pick for him, but I think there are numerous teams with SB aspirations that could want him. Top 2 that come to mind for me are KC and Philly, particularly with KC losing Hollywood for the year this week and the AJ Brown currently banged up for the Eagles too. Both teams who are in win now mode, I think one of them could give up somewhere in the 3-5 round range, depending if there are multiple suitors and can get someone to bid up for him.

Nah, it was the worst pick all on it's own, even before factoring in the trade Russell is the only one who could compete with it, but at least with him, they took someone with a big arm and some solid physical traits. It's not even close, Bryce is the biggest bust in NFL draft history, the trade just makes it one of the worst draft picks of all time, of any sport, it's THAT bad

This isn't DJ or CMC, he's 34 and won't be on the roster next season, what good is he doing on this team when he could bring us back a mid round pick from a contender wanting to make a run this year? I'd literally take a 7th rounder for him at this point just because it's something, which is better than the nothing we'll get in return for him being a cap cut this offseason.

Yes and it was entirely predictable, every fan could see it, front offices over think everything and believe they're smarter than they really are

Yep, off the top of my head there are a number of teams I think could be interested and would give up like a 4th rounder for him Chiefs, Bills, Ravens, Cowboys, Eagles, Lions, and probably a few others would love to get a steady slot presence like him. I'd make this move first thing tomorrow if I'm the FO

He's a player who can help a contending franchise right now, I'm sure there are a number of teams that would give up a mid round pick for him to help them make a run this year. We need more draft assets anyways and he's just going to be wasted here the rest of this year and likely not be brought back next year anyways, get something for him while we can.

Bryce at QB isn't keeping our WRs from creating even an inch of separation Bryce at QB isn't making our OL act like turnstiles to allow pass rushers through. Replacing Bryce with Dalton doesn't fix our issues, the only thing it can do is hurt our draft position. We've spent years trying to patch the holes of a sinking boat instead of just actually trying to do a real re-build. Every year we keep trying to patch that sinking ship instead of just building a new one, we set ourselves back even further. This is the worst franchise in the NFL since the mid 2000's Lions, it's that bad right now. Wanting to win some meaningless games is just dumb.

They are? Who? Dionte Johnson? The player who the team widely regarded as the best at identifying WR talent over the last couple decades decided to give up on and trade him for a player we were going to cut anyways? Mingo or Legette who haven't lived up to their draft expectations? Hubbard or Sanders? LOL Thielen is our best player on offense and he's on the wrong side of 30 with only a year or so left of being a useful player. Yes Bryces drags everyone down, but he's dragging down the worst roster in the league to just being worse, even with a halfway competent QB, we have a garbage roster right now. Benching Bryce doesn't fix that, it just hurts out draft position to fix the problems in the future.

I'd respect Tepper a million times more if he was forcing them to play Bryce right now. It would be the first time in YEARS that we were playing the long game as opposed to looking for the quick fix

So you'd rather win pointless games in a meaningless season with players who won't be on this team in 2 years instead just so you can feel some self worth as a fan? THAT is the loser mentality, it's not being able to stomach the bad times for the long term betterment of your favorite team because you're just sick of the losing. I will die on this hill until my last breath, fans who can't root for their team to lose when it's in the best interest of the franchise are the worst type of fans and NOT real fans. Real fans can remove their feelings from the situation and root for what actually will help their team improve. Firing Rhule and going on that run 2 years ago is LITERALLY why we're in this situation right now. It forced us to make a absurdly stupid trade to move up in the draft (taking the wrong guy just compounded the issue). And outside of the draft pick issue, how did winning those games help this franchise? Are the players who sparked that run better off for it? Hell no, most of them aren't even still on the roster anyways. Do you feel better as a fan right now because we won those games down the stretch that year? Does it still give you all the warm fuzzy feelings inside right now? Had we just stuck it out with Rhule, sucked the rest of the year and ended up with the #1 pick, even if we took Bryce, we'd have kept DJ and the rest of our picks and already been in a better position right now because we'd have had our own pick in the draft this year to replace Bryce already (not to mention the rest of the picks we'd have kept too). I root for the Panthers franchise, not the 2024 Panthers. And rooting for the Panthers franchise right now is hoping we continue to lose, period. You know the last time we embraced the suck as a Franchise? 2010, and it got us Cam in the end. But sure, let's keep hoping we win meaningless games and continue to put ourselves in this same position year in and year out.

Bryce needs to play all 17 games unless he is legitimately injured and can't play at all. We suck, nothing is changing that, it's not even halftime of Week 2 and the literal goal of the season should already be to not screw up getting the #1 pick (and then don't screw it up worse and take a QB in a bad class, trade back and start compiling picks and assets for a change, oh and then take T-Mac)

No.

Might be true, but if a team with that top pick as a true blue chip #1 WR already in house, they could view that as a big positive to help him right away as a rookie But I just want T-Mac on the Panthers so bad, haha

Take T-Mac with our first next year (with a trade back a few spots if we’re #1) and then take Arch Manning 1st overall the following year when we still suck again That’s how you build a long term contender, get an elite QB/WR pairing in back to back drafts

It was always a 2 man race for the first to be drafted, but that was always my point, that Hunter wasn't going to challenge the two of them if he enters as a WR only But T-Mac doing what he does at 6'5" is why I'd go with him over Burden, all my Arizona bias aside I'd still make that same call

I could think of at least 5 backups out there right now that the Dolphins would rather trade for than Bryce Doubt they'd even want him for a future conditional 7th, he's a complete bust, it wouldn't shock me if he never plays a snap for a team other than the Panthers in his career. We'll cut him at some point, and if he's smart he just retires, if not, I think he'll bounce around as a #3 during camp and/or practice squad type of guy for a couple of years before he hangs it up.

Told ya, he’s special and will be the best WR in the draft this year holy crap, did you see that clip they just showed? his hands are crazy strong

That’s not going to be a catch, but that was still damn impressive

He’s definitely trying to do too much tonight, but the WRs outside of T-Mac aren’t exactly getting open and they keep doubling him to force someone else to step up yea, we’ll lose this one, but T-Mac is still a beast