tukafan21

These players are making millions upon millions of dollars to play a child's game, more money in a year than most regular joes will see in their lifetime, so I don't feel bad when they get cut because they aren't playing up to the value of their contracts, whether they moved their family or not (and fyi, pretty sure most players don't move their families when they change teams late in their career when they're already bouncing around teams every couple years).

T-Mac is a nickname, Tet is a shortening of Tetairoa. Like you said below... your name is Jonathan, I could see "Jonny" being considered a nickname, but Jon isn't a nickname, it's a shortening of Johnathan, see the difference? And if your mom named you Jonathan for it's biblical significance/meaning, because she was very religious, I think it would be different. T-Mac is Polynesian, so much in their culture has deeper meaning for them, particularly names. So for his mom to feel this way, I highly doubt it's just because she likes the name Tetairoa and not Tet, it's much more likely than not to be because the name itself has a deeper meaning in their culture. Particularly as T-Mac himself has often talked about how much his Polynesian heritage means to himself and his family. And no, I'm not saying all this because of how much he's my guy, if he was just "normal american" and his name was Jonathan and he didn't like fans calling him Jon, I'd probably just say tough poo. It's that he's Polynesian and I know things like names have a much deeper meaning in their culture than they do in ours for the most part. For whatever it's worth, a quick google search.......

Yep It's like when fans complain about needing to pay the rest of a coaches contract when you fire them. That's one I just don't get, if the owner is willing to do it, then who the F cares, as that is his choice and it doesn't affect the team (as long as it's not an owner who will then be a cheapskate on the next coach to save money, which isn't a problem with Tepper). But caring about how we use the limited resources because doing one thing affects the rest of the roster you can build, that's just being a sports fan 101 type of stuff.

Yea, caring about the cap is different than caring about the owner's money. I don't give two shits about Tepper's money and how it's spent. But I do care about our cap space and how we use it because that is directly what affects the team. Those are two very different things, it's not hard to understand that.

You don't think it's disrespectful, but you're also not realizing that his name is not just his name, it has a deeper meaning in their culture, so shortening it to something that doesn't have the same meaning, is disrespectful to them. It's not calling some random white American dude John instead of Jonathan. The name has a deeper meaning in the Polynesian culture, to where if you shorten it, it no longer means the same thing. To him and his family, T-Mac or Nalo is a nickname, "Tet" isn't a nickname, it's changing his name that has a deeper meaning to them. And if that random white dude was named Jonathan for a deeper reason, and him or his family say they feel calling them "John" is disrespectful, then I'd have enough respect of that person to not call them John. Why is that so hard? What is wrong with this country that when someone says, "calling me by X name is disrespectful to me and my family" that our response is, "screw them, I'm going to call you what I want to call you"

Yea, I think the Walker smoke was more because that was the way the "experts" were expecting us to go, so we leaned into it to help hide our interest in not only T-Mac, but whoever or whatever we actually planned to do at #8, because he just never made sense for the scheme we run and what holes we needed to fill in general, let alone with the 8th pick.

That's absolutely true too, but I also don't think they ever truly considered Walker an edge either. Just look at who we took and compare them to Walker from a size standpoint, they couldn't be any more different. If T-Mac was taken before we were on the clock, I still don't think we'd have taken Walker in the end anyways, at least not without a trade back first.

Please, explain it to me then, because nothing I just said is wrong, if you can't see it, that's a you problem. This isn't MLB where teams can spend $50 million or $500 million on their roster. Not having guaranteed contracts doesn't save owners a single penny, it just changes what players would be getting the money as guaranteed contracts would mean it's being paid to cut players or sub-par bench players instead of new ones, but it's still the same amount of money coming out of the owners pockets. The fact that any fan thinks cutting a player saves the owner any money is absurd. Yes, TECHNICALLY a team could only spend the cap floor every year and save maybe $15-20 million a season, but no team does that in the NFL. If they aren't spending their cap in a season, they use it in the next season when they get to roll it over, this isn't baseball where you have cheap owners when it comes to assembling the roster itself. Owners get cheap when it comes to other things, like the coaching or training staff, or amenities provided to the players. And yes, these things can cause better players to not want to sign with that team. But in no world does non guaranteed contracts save the owners money, not even in the slightest.

To everyone who spent the last 4 months screaming to not take T-Mac because what we really needed was a quick twitch slot WR and not a big outside guy........ Did we end up getting both in this draft? I kept saying those wanting that quick shifty slot WR weren't wrong, we did need one, but we also needed that true outside #1, and I explicitly kept saying to take T-Mac in the 1st, then use the next few picks on defense while taking that mid-late round pick on the shifty slot WR as they're easier to find there. T-Mac, XL, Coker, Horn Jr could make for a damn good Top 4 WR room if they pan out, although if they do, we won't be able to keep all 4 of them on a 2nd contract, but those are good problems to have.

I said it a million times leading up to the draft, Walker never made any sense to me. He's a 4-3 OLB who plays mostly off ball but can be used as a situational pass rusher. If you're taking an OLB when you run a 3-4, they need to be more of a full time pass rusher who has the ability to set the edge and also play DE when you switch up to a 4-3 alignment. That's just not Walker, he very well may be a great player in the end, but you don't take a 4-3 OLB at #8 when you run a 3-4, square peg meet round hole.

I think the whole escort thing is a bit out of hand, seems kinda clear to me that it was one of those sugar daddy type of deals that likely just went on for too long and they developed "feelings" for each other and turned it into a weird relationship.

No, the casual fan gets sucked into THIS^^^ kind of thinking, and it's so woefully incorrect that it's almost sad. The first is what I've said numerous times, NOTHING about non guaranteed contracts save the billionaire owners a single penny, because they still have to spend their cap floor, and the only reason teams ever don't spend the full limit, is to then roll it over into the next season to be able to spend more that year. But in the end, owners pay the same amount of money no matter what. The reverse is also the same, that the players in totality make the same amount of money as well, because in your example of Clowney not getting that money this year, it will go to another player, as the cap needs to be spent. And you say how we just cut Clowney after we gave him the 2 year contract, but everyone including Clowney's agent and himself, knew when it was signed, that it was more likely to be a 1 year contract than a 2 with how it was structured. The 2nd year was just to be able to spread out the cap hit and he was always most likely going to end up getting traded or cut. It's why agents and players don't care about the total money in a contract, it's always and only been about the guaranteed money, as the years and overall value are meaningless, always have been, always will be.

Agents will have their 1st round picks hold out until the pay structure of their contract is to their liking, not how much money they'll get or even how much is guaranteed, just the when/how they will get the money over the course of the contract. If they're willing to recommend those players hold our, do you really think they won't do it for 2nd rounders to guarantee them an extra 10% of their entire rookie contract?

I'd always said I didn't want to see 58 worn again, but I'd also never seen this idea brought up before, but now that I have, I freaking love it. TD is the ultimate representation of Keep Pounding, dude's career should have been over after the knee injuries and then he goes on to become a franchise legend. Let's make 58 a LB only number that needs TD's approval for who can wear it and turn it into a LB tradition here, would be really cool and in a way more fitting of what TD meant to the franchise than retiring it.

The funny thing is I was a HUGE T-Mac fan back in the day, he was my favorite player for a long time. Have a few pair of his shoes, his jersey, even made a really cool school around him too. Guess I was just always destined to be a T-Mac fan lol

Yes, for a single person, but this isn't just selling tickets on the trip they put on, you buy the full trip and pay for however many people you're bringing with you up to 18 (I'm sure there's a minimum for 10-12 people too). So even if you get a group of 15 guys together to do it, you could do the trip for less than $150k but without the access to players.

lol no the other way around He’s saying if someone were to buy this package, they’re paying half of what it would cost them to do it on their own. So I’m saying that can’t be the case, as there’s no way the person providing it can make money if it costs them twice the amount to put this on for them, they’re in it to make money, not give a fan experience on the cheap. This isn’t a huge operation that has major discounts due to bulk private flights and 5 star hotels/restaraunts around the country to where they can do this at a cheaper price than it would cost to do on your own. You’re paying more for the access to players and not having to work out the logistics on your own, not less, that’s crazy talk.

If the whole league doesn't do it, it creates more of a problem, because there is no way some other's won't follow suit. Once a handful of teams start to do it, all agents are going to start demanding it and we're going to see more 2nd round holdouts than ever, and they rarely did before this.

Again, it's not about billionaires coughing up their money, guaranteed contracts wouldn't cots a penny more out of the owners pockets as teams have to spend their cap room every season. The only times they don't spend it all, it's to roll it over into the next year to spend more than the cap, so they're still spending the same amount of money in the end. Fully guaranteed contracts for all players wouldn't work in the NFL Not having them actually works to the benefit of both teams and players, as it's how teams manage the cap and it allows players to get to re-negotiate new guaranteed money faster. Plus, with how often those role players get churned through because they show flashes but don't pan out, would really limit how much teams would be willing to spend on them and give more than 1 or 2 year contracts. It would create even more of an unbalanced pay structure to where the stars would make even more of a percentage of the cap than they already do.

There's no way you're paying half the cost of doing it on your own, as it wouldn't be a profitable business. They're not doing this out of the goodness of their heart to give fans a cool thing on the cheap, they're making money on it, so it can't cost more to do on your own outside of getting access to the players.

It's not jealousy and I don't care one way or another if players have guaranteed deals or not. But when one team starts doing something like this, it can mess with the rest of the league for a few years until things settle down, so it can affect us, which I do care about, that's all

I think GM's are more upset than owners Owners spend the same amount of money every year as it's a hard cap with a floor minimum too. It doesn't really change anything for them (other than possibly make things more difficult on the team in general). But it's the GM's who need to negotiate these contracts who are really going to be pissed, if you're a skill position player that goes in the 2nd round now, you're going to be asking for this, and the higher you're drafted and/or the more unexpected it was for you to not go in the 1st, the stronger your case will be to insist on it.

It says $10k per person for up to 18 people (and I'm guessing there has to be some minimum number of people too or it wouldn't be profitable) So I just went with a 15 people

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/45057900/texans-jayden-higgins-makes-history-fully-guaranteed-deal Seriously? Giving a fully guaranteed contract to a 2nd rounder?!?! They just made rookie contract negotiations with non 1st rounders so much more difficult as they're all going to be trying to get that moving forward now. It's been so nice since the rookie scale was instituted with so few players ever holding out, this feels like it could change things, especially for high 2nd round picks who are going to start asking for this immediately.

If people have an expendable $150k to spend on something like this, then they likely have ways of being around former (or current) players anyways. Plus they also then already have the means to make a trip to games like this while being on their own schedule/agenda as well. Just can't see what the appeal of something like this is for those type of people. Yea, us regular Joe Schmo fans would love a tripe like that, but we don't have the expendable income to do it.