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People said that about Malik Willis and Will Levis at one time too, it wouldn't be the first time the media just gets sucked into the hype but the teams see right through it. Sure, he probably still will go in the Top 3, but I don't think he's good enough, that there are already reports that some teams don't even have a 1st round grade on him, isn't a feather in his prospect cap.

More explosive doesn't mean better, T-Mac can do a lot of things that Burden can't. His catch radius alone is something that is very rare to find and what makes him stand out so much to me, especially when you combine it with how strong his hands are, he can just make catches that nobody else can.

lol, again, it's not the player, it's the draft slot and current roster that I don't like drafting him. Given XL and Coker, I just don't like using a Top 10 pick on a player of Burden's style of game, it's the same reason I like T-Mac over a WR Hunter in the Top 5 as well. It's about the fit for our team, we need that true outside #1 more than someone who is going to thrive in the slot. If we were picking in the early teens, I'd be much more open to Burden, but not at 8

I didn't say it wouldn't work, I said it would be a poor allocation of assets to use a Top 10 pick on a WR and still not have a true outside #1 when we have so many other holes. There is still no #1 WR in that group, let alone a true outside WR. You have 3 guys who all could be somewhat interchangeable, which can be good and lead to good things, but it lacks that elite WR that a Top 10 pick should bring you. We need a true outside #1 and a super quick twitch slot guy, Burden, while a great prospect, is kinda in between them. And I don't think it's jamming XL into the slot, he would EAT going over the middle against nickel DB's, and really what he's best at right now is getting the ball into his hands and letting him run with it, he's not great at making plays downfield. He'd be an Anquan Boldin type of guy for us in that role and I think its would fit him outstanding.

I didn't get why the Titans fired Vrabel, he's a great coach who was never able to find a good QB, but that's not always the coaches fault. Going offensive makes sense given Maye being so young and it would be good to pair him with one of those type of HC's, but even if they go Vrabel, that's a big upgrade at HC over Mayo, regardless of how it works out in the end.

If we didn't just draft XL, I'd be more on board with Burden, but I just think it's a poor allocation of assets given the number of holes on our roster to use our 1st on a player like him. He can play some X, but he's not a natural true outside #1. That's why I'm just praying T-Mac falls to us for some reason, he's our only shot at adding that outside #1 this offseason. Then do what I said and package up our 5ths to try and get a fast slot WR in the 3rd/4th and give us a WR room of T-Mac, XL, Coker, fast slot WR draft pick for the future and maybe Thielen for one more year. That's a well rounded WR room that compliments each other and gives you everything you need.

They've had some poor drafts because BB was losing his edge and trying to outsmart everyone by being contrarian too much, it's what caused the roster to be where it's at, not the franchise as a whole. When you have a run like that and a coach who had that track record, it made all the sense in the world to turn the keys over to him. Sure they let him go too long with it and that's on the Kraft's a little, but it doesn't mean they're an awful franchise because of it. But they also have their QB in place and a stupid amount of cap room to build things up right. I think that's why they fired Mayo, not because they're a poorly run franchise. They see this as the chance to either get Vrabel who they know can run a team well and has history with them, or they can pair Maye with an innovative offensive minded HC who they can grow with and hopefully make them contenders for a long time.

Even if he hits the market, he's the only good WR under 30 on the market (Diggs, Cooper, Hopkins, Adams and a few other older guys will be out there), so if he's going to sign with a bad team, he's going to force them to way over pay for what he is. He's a mid to low end #1, he's not a Top 10 type of guy, but you're going to have to give him Top 5 money, it's just not worth it even before his injury history is factored in. Even if he doesn't stay in Cincinnati, I could see him going to somewhere like the Chargers for less money than others would offer. Put him in an offense with Herbert and Ladd in the slot, they could be dangerous.

Having a bad roster is not having a dumpster fire of an organization. Yes of course Brady/BB had the most to do with it, but they still have 6 SB's and not too far removed from them. They have/had trouble getting out of the BB regime, which isn't abnormal given how much he had control there, but I wouldn't put them in the same category as many of the poorly run franchises. They also have a ton of cap room and a really good looking rookie QB.

I don't love the pass rushers in this class either, which is why i was saying I wouldn't have taken any of them over T-Mac or Johnson in the Top 5. But I also don't love Burden as a fit for us anyways, which is why I couldn't take him over one of the pass rushers either. Yes we need that super quick slot WR, but we also badly need a true outside #1, which Burden is not. Drafting Burden means we'll have 3 WRs we expect to be a big part of our future along with XL and Coker, but none of them at true outside #1's. I don't like the idea of spending back to back 1st Rounders on guys who probably both should be playing out of the slot, especially with a Top 10 pick. Plus, you can find those fast slot WRs in the middle rounds of the draft all the time, you just need to evaluate well and hit on the pick, which is it's own issue of course. I'd package up some of those 5th round picks to move up into the late 3rd or early 4th and take the fastest WR we can get in that range.

I assume you mean Bears and Jags, as the Patriots are anything but that. The Jags have a lot of great offensive weapons though, far better than what we were offering up the last 2 years when we were hiring coaches. I think when you look at Lawrence, Thomas, Etienne, and Bigsby, that situation would look mighty appealing to someone like Johnson who would look at that as his Goff, St Brown, Gibbs, Montgomery to work with. Then combine it with their currently weak division and I think it's actually a pretty good opening for a good offensive coach to step into and do well in right away.

Too high for Burden as I'd take any of the pass rushers over him at 7 or 8 and at least one of them should be left. I don't think any of Ward, Sanders, Hunter, T-Mac, or Johnson make it to 7 and guessing an OT will go before then, which means Graham or Carter would be there, both of whom I'd take over Burden. And if they're not, it means someone else there fell, who I'd also take over him then. I don't like the idea of a trade down because I don't think anyone will make it worth our while. But if we were to trade down into the 12ish range, that's where I think Burden would become an option. It's weird, but I'm now kinda hoping I'm wrong on T-Mac running a sub 4.5 at the combine, because now if he runs in that 4.55 range, he might fall to us, LOL. But when he runs 4.49 or better like I think, I don't think he falls to us.

I think it's going to be hard for him to turn down the chance to have Maye or Lawrence as his QB, but I absolutely could see him looking ahead and hoping whoever gets the #1 pick next year also fires their HC and he can get Manning. I'd think he'd want Caleb too, but not sure he wants to deal with the Bears organization in such a tough division.

Spending the money it will take to sign Higgins, on a WR with a shaky injury history, instead of spending it on the defense that just gave up the most points in NFL history, would be an epically bad decision. Yes, I've been a loud proponent of drafting T-Mac if available, but this has nothing to do with that. Even if we use our 1st on a defensive player, our cap room should be entirely spent on the defensive side of the ball. There are always good defensive players in FA because teams use their cap space to lock up offensive guys first, and they're more ready to help our defense than any rookies would be anyways. For what it would take to sign Higgins, we could add 2 or 3 starters on defense, with at least one of them being a big splash signing. To get him to come here, it's going to take Top 5 WR money, in no way is he worth that in a vacuum, let along once you factor in our defensive issues.

I'm sorry, this gets me every time If you're going to argue that we don't scout and analyze talent well, then you should be the type of person screaming for a higher draft pick as the higher you pick, the less chance you have to screw it up with poor scouting, as you have more elite players to choose from. With every pick later that you draft, your scouting needs to be even better.

Unless someone makes a really stupid offer, the really isn't much of a point in trading back from the 7th pick. Just take BPA there, it's not worth picking up an extra mid round pick to move back into say the low teens.

It's not even about the points, it's about 1 more player being available for us to choose from. Herbert. Sewell. 1 pick early in those seasons and we have a Top 10 QB and LT right now.

Oh, and again, we won 2 late season games in OT. Are you telling me that if we had lost those games, we wouldn't have had the same development of the players that we had? That's absolute utter nonsense, pulling out the win has literally ZERO affect on the development of the players. That's what I think a lot of the "pro late season winning fans" seem to miss in this argument. I'm not arguing for us to tank, that's nonsense, I'm arguing for us to do exactly what we did, fight hard and stay in games, but I'm wishing the other team would have pulled out the wins in the end. If we lose the coin toss and give up TD's in those OT games, we have the #1 pick that we can trade and still 100% of the development and improvement of the players over the course of the season. In what world is that not better for the future of the franchise to have that #1 pick to trade than the very very very minor good feelings of a couple extra wins?!?!?!

Howie Roseman is literally the best GM in the league at identifying talent, using them as an example is extremely flawed. The problem is we keep trying to patch the holes on a sinking ship, hoping for a quick fix turnaround, but all it does is keep us in NFL purgatory. We haven't been good since Cam got hurt in Pittsburgh and yet we haven't embraced a re-build in all those years since then either. That's not how the NFL works, we have such a bad overall roster, but people are pinning their hopes on a guy who is never going to be an elite QB. Make it make sense Again, this same argument has been going on for almost 10 years with this franchise. Some fans root for losses, the others root for December wins, and we tend to get those late pointless wins almost every season. How has that worked out for us so far? How is this franchise doing? When was the last time we sniffed the playoffs? At what point do people realize we aren't doing things the right way?

I want to be playing in the playoffs and contending for SB's. You don't do that by winning meaningless games in December every freaking season, which we tend to do. How has that worked out for us since 2015? It hasn't worked, it's why we've been stuck in NFL purgatory for basically the last decade. But sure, let's keep celebrating these late season wins, they keep me all warm and fuzzy inside during those 1-7 starts and ruin the season for us before the midway point of the schedule. This argument happens every year, at what point do the people who celebrate these wins realize it's not working? People point out the good players we did draft later in the draft, but they obviously aren't helping turn around the franchise, maybe we'd have gotten even better players than them if we were higher in the draft. I'm sick of having a terrible team, I'm not going to celebrate wins that cost us significant draft capital when I think we're stuck with an awful QB. If we had a Drake Maye, who has looked like he has a real future, then yea, I'd be more on board with celebrating a meaningless Week 18 win, because I'd feel we had a future. Bryce aint it, sure I'd love him to become that guy, but I 100% do not see it happening, so things like today just piss me off as I feel like we keep setting ourselves back as a franchise.

We missed out on Herbert and Sewell by 1 pick each. I'm not going to go through every draft to find difference making players that we could have had, but you can do the same thing both ways. Fact is we lose both these OT games and we have the #1 pick, which likely is being turned into multiple 1st's and another couple other picks. There is no world where these 2 wins and the 8th pick in the draft is better for our future than ending up with say the 5th pick, another 2nd, and then an extra 2026 and maybe 2027 1st rounder. Culture isn't built because you pull out an OT win, it's built because of everything the team does through the season. Our culture moving forward would be exactly the same had we lost those two OT games in the end, but because we didn't, we miss out on A TON of talent.

With the right coaches, 100% Bryce and AR are essentially polar opposites of each other. One has ungodly physical ability, the other is extremely limited. One sees the game at an elite level, the other severely struggles with it so far. The point isn't about who they are as QB's right now, it's about what they will be 5 years from now. I'd rather bet on hiring the right coaches to get the best out of AR and get the most out of his physical abilities. AR's upside is miles higher than Bryce's due to the physical differences between them. Will it pan out that way? Who knows, but since I don't think Bryce will ever be a Top 20 QB in this league, I'm taking the chance on the guy with uber elite physical traits. Yes, right now Bryce is a better QB, but I don't care about right now, just like I don't care about the win today. Right now does nothing for the team 3 years from now. Sure, AR could be out of the league while Bryce is still a starter in 3 years. But if you're betting on one becoming a Top 15 QB 3 years from now, I'm putting every dollar I have on AR there, because I don't think Bryce has a snowball's chance in hell at doing that. Sure, I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think I am, Bryce just isn't that guy to me, never has been.

I'll be the first to admit that the Bryce over the last 2 months has been lightyears better than the Bryce I was bashing the first year and a half of his career. The problem is he is now looking like the Bryce that I thought we were drafting. A solid game manager who sees the game at an elite level, but will always be held back by his physical limitations. That he's going to be the type of QB who is never bad enough to let walk in FA, but also not good enough to turn a team into a contender unless you have the PERFECT roster built around him. And even then, you'd be a contender because of the rest of the roster, not the QB. The problem is even if you build that perfect roster, it's usually done on rookie contracts and you can only keep that roster together for a season or two before you lose too many key contributors. This is how you get stuck in NFL purgatory, it's not how you build a constant contender of a franchise. People are getting excited because we're better than we were before. I don't want to be better than we were before, because that's an extremely low bar. I want to be a winning franchise, and I flat out don't see Bryce being the type of QB who can do that for a team.

Will be real close as to who ends up 7th and 8th between us and the Jets, no idea how each of the remaining games will affect the SOS, but as of right now we're separated by .002 in the SOS. EDIT: Looks like the KC/Denver game going final increased our SOS advantage by another .002, so right now we have a .004 lead on the 7th pick, but not about to do the math on the remaining few games to see how it changes things.

And also, none of this means I think all of the guys above are SB contending caliber QB's either. But I do think they all have higher potential than Bryce, which is the question at hand.