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And how do they do that for the stadiums in the league that it's just not feasible to have grass? Lions, Vikings, Rams, Chargers would have a 0% chance at it due to being complete domes (or roof in the case of LA teams). Then even the fields with some form of retractible roof like for the Cowboys, Falcons, Colts, and Texans that I doubt even with some retro-fitting would be able to be open enough to get enough sunshine to all areas of the field to properly have an NFL quality field. Those places can put grass in for the big soccer games on a one-off basis, but it can't be done for an entire football season. And they don't do it or them out of the kindness of their hearts, they do it because it's the only way to get the games played in those stadiums, it's done because that sport is played on grass at an international level, they just don't play it on field turf anywhere, so you can't then play on it here. Also, who knows if this injury was caused due to turf or not, but it's getting ridiculous where any non just pulled muscle injury on non grass fields is being blamed on the turf. Sometimes players just get hurt in this game.

For a SB starved franchise like the Jets, when you have a SB caliber roster outside of QB, you do what you have to do to win that ring. Doesn’t hurt that 2 of the last 3 SB champs did it that way either, proof that it can be done

If he’s playing well enough to stay as a starter when Corbett is back, I’d prefer to keep him at RG and put Corbett on the left. It would be tough for a rookie who missed much of camp to make that switch mid season if playing well. Plus with some of Ickey’s struggles in preseason, rather put the vet than the rookie next to him. Then move Zavala to the left next year with a full offseason to get settled.

I posted something about this the other day, Parsons isn't a player any team can really be upset about their team not drafting and is pure revisionist history if they are. Guy was a MLB in college and projected to be one in the NFL, nobody realized he could be the dominant pass rusher that he's turned into. If they did, he'd have been at worst the #3 pick in the draft, could see Wilson still going ahead of him given the hype he had, but I don't think lance would have gone before him if anyone remotely saw this coming.

I'm starting to think this is the last week we have to get a deal done with Burns or else it's going to be shelved until the offseason. If he gets another sack and looks good next weekend, his agent could just shut down negotiations and take the injury risk knowing the upside is him continuing on a tear and being able to get just as much as Bosa just got. And at the same time, if he struggles next week, I could see the team using it to play hardball and keep the two sides too far apart to be able to get a deal done. Gotta get it done this week Fitts, get that signature!

Bryce is probably the most ready QB to come into the league in a decade, if not longer, if not ever. There is a HUGE difference between the readiness of QB's today than there was even just 20 years ago. Kids are growing up learning the intricacies of the game in a way they never did years ago. They have QB coaches from a young age, taught to read defenses well before high school, and so much more. Young kids with QB aspirations these days are doing things by the time they're in high school that most college QB's didn't do 25+ years ago. That's more of why QB's needed to sit for a year or two to learn, but in today's game, they knew stuff 5 years ago that rookie QB's struggled with 25 years ago, massive difference.

Because it's not, he has no decent trade value right now with his inability to stay on the field, regardless of the talent he's shown when on it. If someone was dumb enough to offer up a 2nd for him, you take it, but even for a 3rd, you let him play out these last 2 years of his rookie deal and hope he finds the magic elixir to staying healthy and then re-sign him to a reasonable contract if he does, if not, it's just a pick that didn't work out due to health reasons.

I am all for being realistic when judging the team after just one game, but for the life of me I don't understand why so many people are saying we're in a total re-build and using that as an excuse for potentially being a bottom 5 team this year. We were 7-9 last year and outside of our #1 WR spot, I don't think there isn't a single position on the squad that we didn't at worst keep the same, in most cases have an upgraded that position from last year, even at QB as even knowing there will be growing pains with Bryce, he's already way better than our QB situation last year. On offense we kept our entire OL (albeit with one temporary replacement due to injury) while upgrading at RB, TE, and while we lost Moore which hurts, the rest of our WRs are better than anything we had last year (assuming TMJ were to improve but I'm starting to worry there to be honest). On defense we switched to a scheme that should put both Burns and Brown in better positions to utilize their talents, brought in Houston who should be a better pass rusher than anything we had after Burns last year while also bringing in Bell on the back end. That doesn't sound like a team in a total re-build to me, it sounds like a 7-9 team that improved their roster over the previous season. If we really were in a total re-build, in today's NFL, you don't START it by trading away a ton of assets for a QB. You get through the first couple of rough years of re-setting the roster with better contracts and younger players and then make your move for the QB, usually through the draft since you'll have a high pick from the struggling years of the early re-build and will end up with a Top 5 pick during one of them.

In the 4 weeks Chase missed with that injury last year, Higgins put up numbers that would have made him 3rd in both catches and yards last year if done across 17 games at those averages, as well as have 8.5 TDs as he had 2 in those 4 games. He's a #1, no question about it. But after the Bryce trade, we can't trade away another first rounder to give a $20 million a year contract to said player.

Agreed, I was really hoping we'd find a way to trade back into the late first and get Zay Flowers when he was still there in the early 20's, I think he's going to be a guy like that real soon. Honestly at this point, our best bet at finding a player like that is either through a trade or with our first rounder in 2025. Tee Higgins is going to be available through a franchise tag and trade, but we had to give up too much draft assets to get Bryce for me to like giving up the first rounder they'd want for us to then have to give him a big contract. It would just be better to wait a year and draft someone in the first to get them on a rookie deal for 5 years than make that trade.

There are no Tyreek Hill type of players, he really is a 1 of 1 that this league has never seen before at WR. Was talking with my friends the other night about what Barry Sanders would be in today's game with his size, speed, and style of play. It occurred to me that he probably wouldn't be an RB in today's game, with his skill set, he'd be a WR and dominate like Tyreek does and be a unicorn type of talent.

Jarvis would be just a duplicate of Thielen in what he'd bring, but I would not be against signing Julio to give Bryce a big target on the outside. I don't normally overreact too much in week 1, but I might already be done with TMJ, he was really disappointing today at a time he had a chance to really step up without Chark and show what he can do.

What's crazier is how good their track record is with those though. I think they know that sometimes they'll make the wrong call and dump someone too early, but because of it, they rarely screw up and keep a player for too long and they historically have been great at knowing the right time to get rid of someone for a good return right before they fall off.

THIS Odds are that instead of lessening his pass rushing plays, they'll do it on a lot of plays that in the past he'd have come off the field to get a breather. That way the defense will never know if he's in the game as a pass rusher or not and will help everyone else on the line. I think his appeared activity level will increase over the season as well, as teams will see this and start to run at him more often, to not allow them to give him "plays off" while still on the field.

I'm not concerned about tonight with Bryce and I'm not even all that much concerned about Bryce the QB (although of course I'm still worried about him being able to hold up for the long term). I'm just concerned that we cut off our nose to spite our face to try and find the quick fix at QB instead of the right fix in the right way. I'm afraid I'll never get over the trade given next year's QB class. As long as we didn't go out and sign Carr or Jimmy G, no available QB this offseason would have been a chance at getting better QB play this season than we'll get from Bryce. So as long as we didn't get either of them, no matter how bad we are this year, we'd have been worse without Bryce. If we give up a Top 5 pick in a draft that might have a handful of legit franchise QB's, it's going to be a really bad look that will haunt this franchise forever if Bryce doesn't lead us to a SB win. Give me one of those top QB's next year with keeping DJ, whoever we'd have taken in the 1st this past year, whoever we'd have taken with our extra 2nd this past year, and whoever we would have taken with our Top 5 2nd rounder next year over Bryce and none of those others. Sorry, still salty over the trade and the preseason and today hasn't helped matters.

HELLLLLLLL NOOOOOOOOOO In no world is it worth giving up a first rounder for a 30 year old WR who's own team isn't interested in keeping him after this season.

If we have to franchise tag him, he's never playing another down for us again. We couldn't come to an agreement with him this offseason, if he balls out and puts up 15+ sacks this year and is the best player on our defense and then we can't get an extension done by the franchise tag deadline, we never will. And if he almost didn't play this year, he's not playing another season on a franchise tag. If we have to tag him and don't trade him, he'll show up when he's forced to in week 10 or whenever. If he plays out the year and plays great, we either make him the highest paid defensive player ever or will need to franchise tag and trade him, neither are really the most attractive options, needed to get a deal done before today.

Well yea, after today that's not surprising. If he plays like today all season, he'd be able to get a deal just as big as Bosa on the open market.

Said it at the time, liked the player, hated the contract, especially after seeing what the rest of the RB market was getting

I still don't hate our skill position players outside of not having a true #1 WR. Sanders looked solid today outside of the fumble and Hubbard looked like a totally different player as well. Hurst looked better than I was expecting, now I'm wondering if he's going to be the safety valve that I was expecting Thielen to be for Bryce this year. I think Bryce just looked a little rattled at times today, something I don't think will be a long term issue but something that isn't a big surprise for a rookie starting week 1 on the road. I think Chark will be good for us, when on the field which I only expect to happen for about 8-10 games this season. I'm also not going to judge Mingo off of his first game either, combine the first game nerves for him and Bryce and I'm not concerned about him today, he'll keep getting better as the year moves on. TMJ was supremely disappointing today though and I'm not sure he's going to be much more than a JAG at this point, we'll see.

I also accept your apology, seeing as I was telling you the same thing all offseason, many many many times I thought we would win somewhere between 7-9 games, but now I'm not so sure, especially as the start of this schedule is brutal and we could end up starting 0-6 after how we looked today

Pretty sure it was only early discussions that they wanted Brown or Burns in the trade, it was including DJ that let us only trade away 1 future first, if DJ wasn't included they wanted multiple future firsts. Because they knew they had to get their QB a #1 weapon and knew there wasn't one on the FA market this year, we instead gave ours away and signed oft-injured Chark for that role, SMH

Are you still refusing to accept that it was Chark's signing that made going after Hopkins not make any sense? Chark getting hurt is exactly why I didn't want him and would have rather waited on someone like Hopkins becoming available as then we'd have had a slot for him. But once we signed Chark, Thielen, and drafted Mingo, our WR room was set outside of back end guys being brought in. This one is on Fitterer, just like the Burns situation, I'm getting very frustrated with Fitts lately and I'd been a defender of his for a while.

I don't understand why Thielen only got 2 targets today, him and Bryce really seemed to have a good connection going during the preseason.

He won't be a bust but a pick that didn't work out due to injuries. When on the field he's been near elite, that alone makes him not a bust, just a bad pick, there is a difference. I had high hopes coming into the season, but not even getting to halftime in week 1 before getting hurt is a bad sign. I'm not going to completely write him off yet, but I think all my hope and expectations for him have now gone out the window unfortunately.