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I haven't moved any. He lost by double digits 12 of his 19 losses as a HC. That's all. I don't think he's a quality enough coach.

Used to a while back, still stay there when I visit, have a bud and his wife that still live there. Right around Franklin & St Marks. In the midwest these days

Oh, just throwing out the odds, amazing what you can throw money in on these days haha. btw--Crown Heights says whattup

Appreciate the response. I understand your defense on that end you speak to. For me, still not sold on the prospect of Wilks. It just feels very Mike Pettine to me and I just would like to finally get past the Rivera & Rhule eras. It just feels like we've been caught in this slighty under .500 feedback loop and there's no end in sight. Full detachment. Wilks, and even Dorsey to a degree, would likely bring a lot of usual suspect back into the building. If people are criticizing the experience of some of these young coaches, I think it's fair to take note of Wilks' limited experience as a coordinator and HC. I don't think he'd necessarily do a bad job, the first TB game this year was fire. Great stuff. But I'd be lying if I wouldn't be absolutely deflated by us hiring him full time.

I ask you don't take this from discussable complaints to criticism of the people discussing. The whole "you don't know football" thing & going for a superiority complex over counter-opinions just lowers the bar and will now, undoubtedly, derail the discussion.

Perrrty much. It would also be nice to have someone not so intimately tied to the last 2 regimes that we all want to get away from. That fact alone just makes this scenario feel like such a complete and utter downer.

Do note, I didn't qualify the records, just said he took over McD's defense. That's one of only 2 years as a coordinator. Like I prefaced, AZ was likely not his doing but you have to take note and check things out. It doesn't mean all critique of him during that period can somehow be discounted. And yes, that is 5 years ago because he was subsequently with Cleveland, then wasn't even in football in 2020 and in Mizzou in 2021. No need to get into the nitty gritty when the big picture is so undoubtedly clear that we can and should do better. Losing by double digits is losing by double digits. Nothing against the guy, I'm not trying to mindlessly bash, but we have to move forward here.

I mentioned elsewhere, but it can't be lost that Wilks only has 2 entire years to his name as a coordinator in the NFL and 14 years overall experience. The fact is he was Ron Rivera's assistant since 2006 until the AZ job came along in 2017. The AZ HC season was probably a huge season of growth for him professionally even though the team and franchise was awful there, but overall, you don't really see much to go off. And even if it was crappy situation and they didn't give him time, that team nosedived and hard. Can't ignore that. As coordinator, one year was riding McD's defense with Luke, and the other was under Freddie Kitchens in Cleveland (They were ranked around 22nd that year). As HC, his teams have lost by double digits 12 times in 29 total games. Nahhh

Well it's what he was here as the DB/AHC spot and for most of his career. People are losing sight that he's only been a coordinator for 2 years of his career. 2! in his 14 years of NFL experience. He's not even a proven coordinator people. (last line not directed at you Donald)

If we don't hire Wilks, I'd say there's a higher likelihood he goes back to Ron in WAS as an AHC instead.

New guesses after recent unfoldings: HC: Shane Steichen OC: Frank Reich DC: Vic Fangio QB: CJ Stroud, Gardner Minshew, Matt Corral Other Draft Picks: Rashee Rice, Zach Charbonnet, Luke Schoonmaker

Updated DraftKings Odds: https://www.draftkings.com/

Additional context...outside of AZ, the NFL staffs that brought him in were led by: Lovie/Ron Rivera (2006-2017) Position Coach and/or AHC sans 1 season of 11 Freddie Kitchens (2019) DC (staff was fired) Matt Rhule (2022) Not a coordinator That's the extent of his NFL career outside of that weird year in Arizona where, yep, he was fired.

Thank you...I thought I remembered that. Unsure how the sentiment was here on the board, but I definitely remember that in the media and for fans and our tailgate. I was sort of open at the start but the more you think on it... He's Rivera's decade+plus long-term righthand man from CHI to SD to CAR, was out of football in 2020, Mizzou in 2021 until Rhule hired him. Went .500 to close out a season on a cakewalk schedule. Has 14 years of NFL experience, only 3 less than the supposed inexperienced Steichen & Johnson. Virtually the only guy with direct ties to the last two regimes that we all so much disliked for various reasons and are trying to move far and away from. Hard no, do not pass go, do not collect $200

The more we are removed from that shmuck, the more clear how absolutely out of his depth he was. It's like seeing a kid trying to wear adult clothes. That was pure B-Rated NFL

Fangio's return after 25ish years would be cool to see. Steichen (or) Kafka w/Fangio smells like the ticket in my opinion. Just don't see Payton materializing.

Did you see that from a report or something re:traction with Kafka? Just curious.

Is there a report or something on this or more just an educated guess?

We’ll be waiting a few weeks if this is Moore, Steichen, Kafka or Dorsey. If there’s no traction after a few days of Payton rumors & having interviewed guys like Reich, Evero, etc. my bet is on one of those four still in the playoffs.

Oh man. Not ready to overreact at the possibility of a Wilks walk-back. If that’s the case, could be Payton, Steichen, or I guess Moore or Dorsey. Can’t see Caldwell happening

Oh yeah haha. It’s so batshit that it’s a possibility, I keep forgetting it could be happening

Johnson must’ve had some really nice talks with the Lions this week that probably seem much rosier than the prospective jobs. Good on Detroit and him.

Updated Field: Steichen Kafka Dorsey Moore Reich Caldwell …Wilks In the No Column: B Johnson Demeco Mayo

Watch this be Kafka.

We’ll if he impressed, hasn’t formally backed out, and has the heightened odds today, wonder if there’s something there. Him and Kafka are still solid options.