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Man, who gave the Bears all that ammo?

What do you believe in? What examples of his player evaluations are awesome? He’s been with the Panthers since 2021 and nothing good has happened draft, trade or FA wise. I don’t care at all that he was a good LB here. I have seen any NFL teams lining up to have Kuechly or TD as their GM. I’ll hope for the best, but there is nothing in the past three years that points to Morgan being a good talent evaluator.

We’ll find out but the negative spin is that Morgan was installed to placate fans as a former beloved Panther and to ensure Young would get more time like Fitt and Tepper wanted. Kind of like we’ll continue the plan but Fitt has to take one for the team. Funny because it doesn’t matter which is true, as long we can draft well. Heck, it doesn’t matter if Morgan was overruled by bad Fitt if we can’t draft well. This isn’t the Bad News Bears movie. If we don’t improve the talent by a lot, we aren’t magically winning anything regardless if Morgan wanted Stroud, Tank Dell and was all for trading Burns to the Rams.

I hear ya. It’s tough to look back the last few years because it has been so bad. It’s hard to get excited when the pressers feel like more of the same. We like Iky at LT. We don’t think Young needs much tweaking and we want to build up around him. If we don’t draft well this year and next year, we are in for completing a full decade of being that worst in the league team. We are 6 years in to a max 7 win team and we are at the lowest point. It’s damn hard not to be tired of this team and get annoyed at the OMG, Morgan wants dawgz woo hoo! crowd. I’ll throw a coin in the well and wish for Morgan/Canales to right the ship quickly. We need a miracle.

It’s almost as if we had finished with the worst record and all our picks and if we had made a trade for additional 1sts this year and in 2025 that we would have been in great position to add a ton of talent to our team. SMH. It just hurts knowing we were given the chance to rebuild quickly and said no, we’d rather do it the hard way.

Ditto. I didn’t like the hire because he’s been Fitterer’s right hand man through some horrible decisions. I was hoping for someone who’s been involved in several solid drafts. Hopefully, he proves us wrong but there was literally nothing you can look at in his assistant GM role here that gives you hope.

You do realize he was a large part of the poo show, right? I don’t know if he can be fixed but the Ily I watched was not even getting a hand on many speed rushers. Not even a hand. No issues with play calling or confusion on who to block or Young or WRs lack of separation, Iky was just plain getting roasted 1 on 1.

You like Sweat better, that’s fine but I still think Burns is considered more valuable. I know I seem to be backtracking on cap but I am willing to burn Dave’s money if we could somehow get a decent pick for Burns. Again, Fitterer has done so poorly drafting and trading that his poo 2021-2023 drafting and his throwing away of 2 of our best 4 draft picks the next two years that our cap space will not be anything close to an issue for at least 5+ years. I hate wasting cap but fug it, I’m in for “buying” draft capital we need far more desperately than extra cap space.

If we still can’t draft with Morgan (I wanted a proven drafter), trading for JJ means nothing. Sorry, but drafting well is the only thing that will change our situation. Drafting poorly means JJ would be a complete waste.

Hill was on a rookie deal but the rest isn’t true at all. Hill’s cap hit was $6M for 2022 and $12M for 2023. They would not have had any issue in the past two SBs affording Hill. McDuffie is the only guy they got on D that contributed. It’s almost silly to say they would have better without Hill considering they had WR issues/drops all year: https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/12/11/chiefs-wide-receivers-emergency-patrick-mahomes-toney The OL is not a mess because they drafted Humphrey and Smith instead of TMJ and a long snapper. The OL has nothing to do with Hill and the improvement on D has very little to do with Hill. I know KC won the SBs but they would have won them with Hill as well and frankly would have been way better this year. They would have dominated with that D and Hill on offense. They won in spite of their WRs being liabilities. It wasn’t like the Chiefs barnstormed their way to the SB win.

Tyreke Hill won one. Honestly, Chiefs made a mistake not just extending him. Orlando Brown did not work out and their lack of WRs has been an issue. They’ve worked around it because they have Mahomes (and a great D this year) but no one would have come close to them this year if they kept Hill. Winning the SB is a bad example though because outside of Mahomes and Brady, there’s barely anyone else. I don’t think Jefferson makes sense because we’d be wasting a lot of resources to get him while Young is here. This is a great WR draft class. We should just do the draft like we should have done and get our young and cheap WRs now. Trade for a Justin Jefferson when we actually need him.

It’s Dave’s money because if you look ahead, we don’t have any worth extending after Brown/Luvu and maybe Burns. You only have to spend 89% of the cap space over 3 years so by the time we actually need it the 2024 cap won’t matter. I’m not saying we won’t waste money as per usual on Hurst and Houston and Sanders, but Burns 2024 tag is meaningless long term because we’ve done such a shitty job drafting that we don’t have worries about can we afford to pay Higgins and Chase while paying Burrow. I have harped on the cap for ages but it just hit me that Fitterer made it a non issue with 3 horrific drafts. Burns was better for 3 years and Sweat was better last year but 2 years younger does play a part. You have risk with Sweat’s age and no risk with Burns’ age for the same deals.

I don’t care about Dave’s money and again that $21M doesn’t matter. After Brown, Luvu and Burns, we have no big contracts coming down the pipeline, especially without our 2024 1st. Before this year when Burns made a business decision, he was absolutely a better pass rusher and more valuable. I still would have taken the Rams deal in a heartbeat. Don’t forget that Burns is also 2 years younger than Sweat as well. Sweat only signed a 4 year extension and he’ll still be 30/31 in his last two years. Burns could sign a 4 year deal and won’t hit 30 until a year after the deal is done. He’s more valuable and I don’t think the league has ever said Sweat was. Sweat’s also has been on more talented DLs overall. I’d still rather have the picks and cap space but I’d take Burns for 4 years all things equal instead of Sweat. Shark move still would have been to trade Burns and use the 2nd to trade for Sweat and still had 2 1sts and $5-10M a year for a FA, but that would require a smart person running the show.

I don’t think NFL people think Sweat is better than Burns. I am 100% all in for trading him (Rams deal was a no brainer except for our dumbass) but I would definitely tag and see if you can get trade bites. We have Brown and Luvu and that’s it for a few more years. Iky and Young aren’t getting big time second contracts. Horn will be lucky to get big money. Our cap space is not going to be an issue for a long time. It’s worth the $21M for one year to try and get better than a late 3rd. We’ll likely blow that money on mediocre offensive spots if we have it to spend.

It isn’t almost always. It’s always. You can’t build a team from FA. It’s not possible. You can augment a good team and make them better but you have to draft well. If we don’t draft well this year and in 2025, the Canales era will be over before it starts.

Oh, I know. I just looked at it and laughed when Hurney took our only good player. The worst part is that even though I like Brown, damn it does suck that we were 1 pick from Herbert. While we’d have screwed up elsewhere having our QB issues resolved in 2020 would have been nice. We spent so much poo on QBs that could have been used elsewhere. I can’t believe I’d ever say this, but Herbert might have saved Hurney’s job to avoid the worst GM ever.

Brown was a Rhule/Hurney pick. There isn’t a single pick in 3 Fitterer drafts where I’d say we want to extend that player on an 2nd deal and that we got plus value for the pick. You could say Hubbard or BC, but they are absolutely replacement level players and a guy like Hubbard is a backup on every team except the idiot team that thought Miles Sanders was worth the biggest RB FA deal.

JFC, I never even thought of it that way but I agree. We could have done nothing and skipped all of our picks and been better off because we’d still have #1 overall, Moore and our 2025 2nd. Heck, we could have gone to any draft board and let it auto draft for us and it would have been way better. Probably would have gotten Jalen Carter and a TE/WR at our two 2nds (assuming Shitterer still trades CMC) not named Mingo.

WR is probably my only interest. Normally enjoy watching the combine and reading about who did well, especially in the positional drills. Since we don’t have our 1st rounder, it has taken a good chunk of the fun out of the draft process. For the folks that think the combine is a silly show and doesn’t matter just remember how good Stroud looked in the QB drills and that Young didn’t participate.

This link (https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/s/jTuznjq4eG) has us as the 12th oldest from closer to the end of the year. Maybe releasing a guy like Houston helped, but either way we do not have a young roster and that’s likely because our drafting has been poo.

It is: https://www.phillyvoice.com/ranking-nfl-teams-age-after-53-man-cutdowns-2023-edition/amp/ From the start of the 2023 season we have the 5th oldest roster.

It’s almost funny that some people in here think if we extend Burns we are suddenly OK. We have an old and very talent poor roster right now. The only way we get out of that is via the draft. The cap discussion is almost stupid at this point. We have plenty for Brown, Luvu and Burns and guess what? There’s not another player from the 2021-2023 drafts that we actually need to worry about extending. Horn? Never plays. Iky? He was awful last year and doesn’t look like a LT. Burns would have 15 sacks every year if he played for NO, Tampa or Atlanta against Iky. Extend Young? Nah, we already discuss his replacement. We don’t even have a 1st in 2024 or a 2nd in 2025. We’ll likely blow a ton of cap on mediocre FAs as we have the past few years but realistically we won’t have cap issues for at least 5 or 6 years. There is literally nothing to discuss besides our next few drafts. Signing Burns for $20M or $30M is honestly meaningless. Getting 2 firsts for him, sure that’s a true impact to our future but that ship sailed.

Correct.

Damn. Most comparable QB to Young was Wilson.

Just like our last two GMs, these same people think we can FA our way to the playoffs. That never works. We were 2-15 with all 3 of the OP’s guys. Let’s sign them all and Higgins, Jones and Evans.