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It is: https://www.phillyvoice.com/ranking-nfl-teams-age-after-53-man-cutdowns-2023-edition/amp/ From the start of the 2023 season we have the 5th oldest roster.

It’s almost funny that some people in here think if we extend Burns we are suddenly OK. We have an old and very talent poor roster right now. The only way we get out of that is via the draft. The cap discussion is almost stupid at this point. We have plenty for Brown, Luvu and Burns and guess what? There’s not another player from the 2021-2023 drafts that we actually need to worry about extending. Horn? Never plays. Iky? He was awful last year and doesn’t look like a LT. Burns would have 15 sacks every year if he played for NO, Tampa or Atlanta against Iky. Extend Young? Nah, we already discuss his replacement. We don’t even have a 1st in 2024 or a 2nd in 2025. We’ll likely blow a ton of cap on mediocre FAs as we have the past few years but realistically we won’t have cap issues for at least 5 or 6 years. There is literally nothing to discuss besides our next few drafts. Signing Burns for $20M or $30M is honestly meaningless. Getting 2 firsts for him, sure that’s a true impact to our future but that ship sailed.

Correct.

Damn. Most comparable QB to Young was Wilson.

Just like our last two GMs, these same people think we can FA our way to the playoffs. That never works. We were 2-15 with all 3 of the OP’s guys. Let’s sign them all and Higgins, Jones and Evans.

You’ll know how well we drafted based on how many 2023 rookies make the team this year. If they all do, make other Sunday plans. If they don’t that should be good news for the 2024 draft.

It is incomplete, not because they’ll get better, but because we will need to know what we should subtract from the already failing grade. We’ll see who we could have had at #1 overall this year and high in the 2nd in 2025. We already are down Jalen Carter, so two more subtractions and I’m not even counting that Tank Dell went 8 picks after the 2nd we gave the Bears for Young. Damn, Fitterer was so fuging bad.

That’s why I didn’t want Morgan. The past 3 drafts were so bad even compared to the rough drafts Hurney had past round 1 in 2018/2019. I felt like Fitterer was Hurney’s clone because of all the reaching but then you add on top his horrific trading and not even being good in the first with 3 top 8 picks no less. There’s literally nothing to point to to feel confident about Morgan’s three years as Fitterer’s right hand man. The whole I want dawgz comment may get some folks juices running, but not mine. I just want to see actual good drafts where we get great value and improve the team. IDGAF if our GM is a former LB tough guy who hypes up the crowd or is some skinny nerd who can’t lift 25 pounds. Whoever drafts better is who has my vote. We’ll see soon if we’ve got a chance to get back to the playoffs anytime soon.

It’s still amazing to me how many people in here couldn’t see how ridiculously good that offer was when you added the three picks plus the ability to sign two $15M a year FAs for Burns. At least those of us who understood the full value have been exonerated but it still sucks because being right meant our idiot GM was proven wrong yet again.

Hard to tell if someone doesn’t go through the draft process. Look at Greg Little. Marty, unfortunately, had a hard on for the guy but had he stayed in school he could have easily dropped. He was a top/1st round prospect until he looked awful at the combine position drills. We caught the falling knife and his career turned out to be exactly what we saw at the combine. So a player could have had a great grade because they never got scrutinized or they dropped because they had a not as good year. Also, early draft material is all over the place so if you combed every site/talking head there would be 60 players who all were in one or more first rounds.

Honestly, I think he may just be bad at LT pass blocking. Burns would have his best game ever if he played against Iky. Fast, quick off the ball edge rushers can get around Iky so fast it’s crazy. Maybe he’s just slow off the ball and can fix that but damn he just looks like he doesn’t have the footwork or god given athleticism to stop a fast edge rusher.

We need to have a strategy. Take OL flyers late, especially guys who did well at big schools but for whatever reason didn’t go early like Norwell out of Ohio State or Smith (Tennessee) or Williams (Oklahoma). Don’t take projects who looked bad pre-draft like Deonte or waste picks like long snappers. We tried to fix our Smith mistake with Mays and Zavala but they haven’t looked good. Still needs to continue but TBH, our scouting department has been god awful at finding good value.

God forbid he gets bull rushed and falls on top of Young. Oh the humanity!

Damn, I really wish we could rewrite history. Personally, I am not a QB so all I wanted was a rookie QB. I wasn’t happy giving up what we did either, but that was likely more from being pissed that we didn’t tank (trade Burns, CMC and DJ for 3 1sts and 2 2nds) and that we could have likely used the Burns trade/value to move up and still have the 2024 1st. I will say that in hindsight, I’m shocked Yoong was QB1. His arm strength was shocking to watch.

I’ve been an NFL fan longer than the Panthers have been around and I’d say Fitterer is easily the worst GM ever. The negative impact he’s had is astounding. Even a guy like Matt Mullen at least drafted a HOFer. I wouldn’t be surprised if not a single player in 3 years of drafting even makes a pro-bowl for us. If he was adamant about not taking a game changing trade for Burns then he should have had a freaking extension signed that day. It’s been 1.5 seasons since he turned down the trade and Burns’ value has plummeted. We could have kept DJ and CMC and used the Burns picks to move up. SMH, instead we’ll probably get a late 3rd round comp pick.

2017 was our last good draft. Moton, Samuel, CMC and Butker. We’ve had Burns, Brown and DJ as good picks since the 2018 draft. We’ve gotten other starters but replaceable/meh ones that likely wouldn’t start on good teams. Including the last good draft, 3 of those 7 are still Panthers and one is a FA unless we tag him. The 2018-2023 drafts are littered with terrible picks. It’s honestly amazing how bad we’ve drafted the past 6 drafts. Even 2016 with Bradberry, Butler and Worley seems decent in comparison to drafts where we picked a heck of a lot higher than 30th. If you look at pick locations, the 2016 draft slots are about what we have in 2024. Only difference is we traded away #1 overall instead of going to the Super Bowl. We have to turn around the drafts. No amount of FAs will turn us into a good team. Having multiple good drafts is the only way. We have to hit on not just starters, but above average starters compared to other NFL teams.

Botch it? Wait till we hear that we traded Brown away for picks so we could extend Burns.

Eh, don’t want to mention it as Brown has been solid but if we truly wanted him, we could have easily traded up for Herbert who went 1 pick before Brown. The Giants (at 5) and Lions (at 3) said their picks were available for trade and I don’t think it would have cost much, especially compared to the load we handed to the Bears. Don’t want to be a huge downer, but even when we get something right it’s not always the thing that would have been the best. I’m happy to extend Brown, but he might be done with his second deal by the time we finally find out franchise QB.

Not surprising in here. I remember Teddy predictions of 4000 and 30TDs, SMH. Heck, people were calling for TMJ to be putting up 1000+ DJ numbers after his incredible 290 yards and a 1 garbage time TD. As much as some people think we are too harsh on players in here, the truth is that we way overestimate our talent levels most times, especially for guys who haven’t yet proven it here like recent draft picks.

I’d love to see a miracle as well, but I just don’t see it happening. Same with Iky. Too many plays where they look like they don’t belong and it’s not something easily fixed.

Sorry, but yes, they can see more lanes and over OL. Picture a 6’5” OL. When he is engaged with a defender, maybe you can’t see over their heads but the shoulders are 3 times the width of the head so I do think they would get better views even with OL partially blocking them. I’ll also point to the first game when Young threw right at Bates. I can remember which of the two it was but from the replay it sure seemed like Bozeman and the DT where right in the path and Young didn’t see Bates at all. How many sacks did we have because Young had no chance to find an alternate target? I’m not sure I would call it as big an issue as arm strength but not having clean ass Bama pockets made his lack of vision a bigger issue than college. His off platform plays were supposed to be a big strength but we barely saw any of that.

I’ll again throw out that I’m really hoping for WR/CB at 33/65 because I think we have better chances of getting legit above average starters or better. I just don’t see Bozeman, BC and Corbett as above average starters. The only spots where I’d say we are above average are Moton, Brown and Burns. You could argue for Luvu and maybe Shaq (if healthy) but I would put them as average starters. I can’t put Horn in the top tier because honestly, we really don’t know how good he is. All our other starters are easily replaced.

If we pick a C/G at 33, they will either be a starter or we again fuged up a pick. If we make a good C/G pick at 33, that player will be the best IOL we have on the team. I’ll even go a step further and say that if we make a good pick at 65 on an IOL, I would expect him to start as well. BC, Corbett and Bozeman are not that talented, period. A C/G picked at 33 or 65 that is an actual “good pick” is more talented. I don’t have faith in our picking right now as we picked TMJ over Humphrey and a long snapper over Tre Smith and Mingo over Dell, etc.

I hate to use this picture again but Brees’ eye-line is almost the same as Stroud and well above Young. The Brees comparison was just trying to link Young to a HOF level player to justify the height concerns. It’s funny that this never came up before the draft because Young’s eye-line height should have been way more concerning. I don’t care where the top of his head is because it’s his eyes that matter and I remember Bree’s saying he used to tilt his head up so he could see more.

Also, BC and Corbett are signed through 2024 and Bozeman is easily released after 2024 with only a $1.6M dead cap. None of them have shown the health or talent level to want to sign them long term. Again, we are in bad shape talent wise.