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Based on what? An actual video is him doing it. Phish, well, I guess that's good enough for some people but I'm not buying it. Guy has a noodle arm and can't make NFL throws.

I have often been accused of being highly entertaining. I'm 48 years old and I'm either arguing with other old dudes with nothing better to do on a Sunday while watching sucky football and looking for slivers of hope or some 12 year old in his basement smelling his own farts and laughing at me. It is what it is.

It sucks but I'm not all broken up about it. If we kept Rhule, we'd have kept CMC and Moore. It's would be part 6 of the last 5 years. We'd have another retread QB. I'd rather be 0-17 then to have kept Rhule but even with Rhule does anyone think with a journeyman below average QB, CMC, Moore and this past years 1st rounder we'd be in this position? If we had not traded up we'd have all that and still finish with 7-8 wins if we're lucky stuck in mediocrity. I'd rather take a shot after shot to be great even if they keep ending up in disaster. Better than settling for status quo of a bottom 10 team year in and year out.

I am curious to whom he'd have picked for our QB after Teddy, Sam and Baker. I think he'd have traded for Trubisky or maybe Cooper Rush.

Man, either join the discussion or STFU. Your one liners from the peanut gallery to half of my posts today are all insulting or passive aggressive and antagonistic.

Can definitely see your point there too. It's why you can't buy a championship every year in Baseball no matter how much money you have although the Yankees have actually pulled it off a number of times. Tepper and most think that if you buy the best parts and hire the best people that will equal success. The only time that really worked was the NBA dream team. Tepper didn't do anything his first 2 years except learn and then he took all that knowledge and hired Rhule and allowed him to implement his full vision (much to our sorrow). As an answer to that he fired Rhule 2.5 years into a 7 year deal and proceeded to hire the best staff money and NFL experience could pull together. Shows how incredibly hard it is to do but I still have a lot of faith it can turn into something really good.

I think Frank can be a really good NFL coach and a good Panthers coach. He's built an excellent staff and I think he's good with players and dealing with other personal. One of the biggest reasons he was hired was because of his experience and inside track on getting other coaches to come here. Highly desirable coaches. Deuce was the assistant head coach/ running backs coach. Thomas Brown was McVay's right hand man, an Assistant Head coach / running backs / tight ends coach. The Broncos did not want to lose Evero but he forced his way out and came to Carolina. The connection there is Dom Capers was a senior defensive assistant on Evero's staff in Denver. He of course was the Panthers first coach and Frank's coach. All of these coaches are very good and highly sought after. Frank had a huge hand is how and why they decided to come to Carolina. Tepper also played a large part in that he's never selfish in spending his own money, many, many times overspending, to get Carolina their guy. He has largely let Evero control and run the defense but probably has had some input into the type of defense he wanted, the philosophy, etc. He needs to do the same with the offense. The problem on defense is not coaching, it's injuries and execution. We simply don't have the talent level to complete for a whole game. A good coach knows what he doesn't know and allows people who are better suited to run specific things. If Reich wanted to be the OC and playcaller that is fine but that is the job he should have applied for. He built a great staff, now it's time to be a head coach and a head coach only and trust the guys he picked to do their job.

Yes, we and every NFL coach, player, and scout has seen enough football in our lifetimes to THINK we know what is and isn't NFL starter material yet we and every expert no matter the level of experience have been 100% wrong. The list of guys who everyone expected to be great and busted along with every player people said wasn't any good but turned out to be a baller is a very, very long list. Going extreme is either direction is harmful. You don't hang on to Bryce and keep trying to make him work if he doesn't turn into the franchise QB after 3,4,5, 6 or however long is too long. I don't know how much time might be too long to beat a dead horse but I do not it's not a few weeks after it's born. Calling for the glue factory when Bryce is still in training wheels is crazy. You say if he tries 10 times and doesn't come close (referring to his deep passing completions) then that is so bad no amount of practice can fix that. I would tend to agree if you nothing else affected or causes his throws to be off target. We know our receivers have struggled in getting seperation on the routes and concepts the coaches are calling. We know we don't have much of a run game to take pressure off Bryce. We know the Oline isn't consistently pass blocking well and giving him time to make good throws. I showed actual screen grabs from Young's "overthrow" to Chark and from Tua's TD pass to Hill. You can easily see the difference in protection and the ability for the QB to follow through with good technique. Bryce has a free rusher coming right at him before he even throws the ball and then the pressure from that linemen as well as another or busted through causes Bryce to throw it early, off timing and he's not able to follow through at all. He ends up doing kind of a full 360 spin leaning back and take a hit. Tua has zero pressure, great form and stands there holding the following through like a boss for like 5 seconds after he throws it. No one ever got remotely close to him. Now, this is one instance but I have not seen Bryce is a remotely similar situation that Tua had and STILL overthrow his WR. You are 100% right on how defenses are playing Bryce and how that severely limits his play. Where we disagree is why defenses are playing Bryce like that. Is it his inability to make those throws due to arm strength, intelligence, accuracy or is it caused by other factors like no run game, WR's getting separation, play calling, scheme, etc. I just proved in my example above that for that play Bryce did not have enough time because of the rush, was pressured when he made the throw and could not use good technique and follow through to have good accuracy. We saw 100% proof in the first quarter that with a good run game to allow him more time and a clean pocket he can throw some lasers. He's shown touch on the ball when he needs it and the ability to throw a dart as well. The TD pass to Theilen was a laser and had some really, really nice zip on the ball. It was a rocket and was thrown a little high to get it over the top of the defender. Thielen made a great catch cause that ball was moving. I've watched almost all of his games more than once and seen the all 22 on a few. He's making some NFL level highly skilled throws and I can go back and show you tons of them. He has the ability. I can also show you horrible throws he's had but they usually happen due to other factor and his bad decisions. He does have more throws that are not leading his targets enough and for whatever reason are a hair behind his receiver but I've seen that less and less each game so I think that's just a matter of him getting used to NFL windows, his receivers, etc. When you go back and look at his film it's pretty easy to tell the passes and decisions that are 100% his fault. Holding onto the ball to long leading to fumbles or not seeing a defender or anticipating a defender like in both his int in the ATL game. If we were the 49ers and Bryce was playing like this I'm be hella worried. Bryce is not playing great but he's a rookie, he's got a reason. The rest of the team are also playing badly and making it even harder for Bryce. Those other players have been around. They have NFL experience. These coaches have been around and have tons of experience so it just so happens that every aspect of the team needs to be better and is subpar but we can fully say Bryce is the problem and can't/won't make it as a successful NFL QB. NFL QB gets way too much glory when you win and way too much hate when you lose. For some reason the Huddle seems to times that by 100 and will probably do it both wins.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GxYF9lieQk I think Frank can be a very good coach but his ego won't let him be just a head coach. He insists on trying to be both Head coach and OC. His stubborn refusal to give up playcalling is holding this team back so much. You can already see the cutting edge offenses of today and the way they are being ran are way outside of what he wants to be and maybe even what he can envision. The details of advanced offenses in today NFL has somewhat passed him by. That does mean he can't understand it conceptually or even design great plays around newer idea and concept but in the heat of battle when you calling plays you're going to default to what you're used to, to what you're comfortable with, to what you are familar with. Frank is most comfortable in an older NFL offense. We've seen Bryce go to extremes to seemingly audible out of every play called by Frank. We seen Reich admit mistakes to personal and in getting the play into Bryce quickly. You can't be a good head coach and a good OC and call plays on Sunday. You'll end up not being able to really be good at one of them because you're tying to do all of them. In today Miami game we had a great 1st quarter. The first 15 plays or so are always scripted in an NFL game. They are created by the brain trust. It doesn't matter who actually calls them into the QB. But after that it's up to the coach calling the plays to decide what to call. We scored 2 TDs, moved the ball, ran it great, passed it great. Looked like the team we all expected us to be. It won't solve all the Panthers problems but in my mind it's currently the biggest things holding us back. Frank are not putting the players in the best position to excel. More and more it's looking like a classic case of scheme over personal in concept but also in how, when and why the plays are being called. For all Frank's talk of team he's the lone wolf holding out. To quote Singletary, "I feel that a great coach is one that has a vision, sets a plan in place, has the right people in place to execute that plan and then accepts the responsibility if that plan is not carried out."

Cast of elite coaches took an extremely intelligent rookie QB and started treating him like Tom Brady on day 1. They took a high school student with a 4.0 GPA and straight A and gave him advance quantum mechanics from a graduate program. And only 1 person can call the plays and that man is Frank Reich. How good we were on script to start the game today just adds fuel to that fire IMHO. "Each era has the fatal hubris to believe that it has once and for all climbed to the top of the mountain and can see everything as it is, from the highest and most objective vantage point possible."

Tepper's fault for picking Rhule and giving him unlimited input, money, resources and control. Rhule's fault for picking Teddy,Sam and Baker and being a college coach in every decision he made. Fitt's fault for being exactly the type of consensus building GM Tepper is asking for and for successfully getting all the bad players the coaches begged for. (Fitt needs to be given final say on roster building.) Reich's fault to getting an all star cast of coaches and then calling the plays he wants and for treating Bryce like a 4 year vet instead of a rookie.

I see our offense as exactly the opposite. We are trying to be much more of a West Coast Spread type offense. Our favorite formation are 1x3. We throw a ton of passes to receivers who are practically behind the line of scrimmage. Reich never meet a mesh route he didn't love. Not taking shots or going vertical is a huge problem but it's not at all our offense. As you say Bryce's skill set is not be having a huge arm and taking deep shots. Of course he'd bust in that type of offense. In the offense we're trying to build, conceptually, he'll thrive which is why I agree with you that in the right offense, he'll be very good.

Oh, I agree with you. I have the time today which is why I'm debating but if you want to quote other posters then at least have the ability to back it up or explain their opinion. I'm not talking about you. That previous comment was more directed at Mr. Completely who doesn't want to bother with how or why he thinks Bryce doesn't have an NFL arm. He just want to keep calling me "Nicole" when I share my opinion or say he doesn't want to waste his time debating or defending his opinion. If guys just wanna take shots with stupid comments, go right ahead. No problem with that but then actually engage in the topic or start a warning thread about how Zod is looking at those Bryce hopefuls who are being too mean to the massive amount of chicken little's with their hot takes.

He is very accurate on short to intermediate routes. He processes the play very quickly and finds the open receiver. He has a quick release. Is very calm in the pocket and doesn't panic. Has a nice zip on his balls. Very good leader and locker room guy. Very high football IQ and learns from his mistakes. Has a very innate ability to throw off platform and with different arm angles. Very mobile in the pocket and keeps his head up looking down field when he does scramble. He showed with the Panthers first two drives today with the balance of a good run game and play calling he can excel. As he continues to improve and improve his chemistry with other receivers not named Adam Thielan he shows a lot of potential to be a quality starter in the NFL. The Panthers have done him very few favors to allow him to showcase his abilities but if he's able to weather and overcome suspect coaching, a lack of weapons and the early storms that every young Qb has to go through then the sky is the limit.

I love debating the arguments but not everyone has the time to waste.

You can come up with a plan and follow it through to see if it's successful or you can jump ship when poo starts going sideways and make knee jerk reactions and decision not based in facts and evidence. No matter if Bryce turns out to be legit or not I'd much rather follow a path that would allow me to see if I'm wrong or right. It's the reason for your opinion and what you've decided supports that opinion that I have the most problem with.

No, I hate how bad my Panthers are right now. Hate it. But I hate people pulling BS out of their butt, asserting their opinion as facts and hot takes in general. Hey, you wanna talk about Tepper hiring Rhule being a huuuuge mistake I'm in. Frank Reich calling plays, lets go. Players missing tackles or assignments. Coaches giving Bryce waaaay too much control waaay to early. Overpaying for Sanders. Tepper allowing Rhule to pick Teddy, Darnold, and Baker as his QB and Fitterer for going along with the game plan. Tepper for using a structure that doesn't allow the GM to pick the coach. For trading up. For not trading Burns. All of these things are legit things to argue or call out. Saying Bryce is a bust at this point or calling for Evero's head with us missing almost half of our starter defense just begs the question.

Why waste your time actually proving some semblance of evidence or logical thought behind your hot takes of one liner BS. There are plenty of things to criticize this team that are actually accurate or have some basis. But by all means allow me to fight fire with fire. I know you are but what am I.

Naw, I actually not new here. Started on Charlotte Observer boards, thisboardrocks and huddle. Just keep losing old accounts because I can only take so much and have to take long breaks to recharge.

Evidence of a rookie qb with little weapons, suspect coaching, etc. I not just a Bryce defender. I think he has plenty of "possible" issues but don't know if those issue are legit or a product of other things he has not control over. That is why it takes at least 2 years or longer to really judge a guy. Thielen being the best slot receiving isnt' having it both ways. Why is he rated the best slot receiver? It's because he's the diamond shining on a bad team. Classic example of how stats can lie. The fact that you think this is another strike against your skills to accurately analyze what is really happening. If you've think we've been in any "optimal" situations for Bryce to showcase his skills then I question your eyesight as well as your analytical skill. You say he's a bust and we need to cut bait and move on which is just stupid on it's face at his point and I'd say that for any rookie QB ever. I say I've seen improvement and a lot of positive things when looked at in context. I've also seen tons of mistakes he's made and have called him out on those but I don't know how good or bad a player he will turn out to be because at the end of the day, no one does.

Thanks for proving my point you have no idea what you're talking about.

What is an NFL arm in your opinion? What part of that does Bryce not have? How do you know he does not have it? Please answer with examples and show your work.

You can assert it all you want but that doesn't make it true. I don't know if Bryce is a bust or not because no one knows that yet. I also know that football is the ultimate team sport and everything affects everything else so it's also difficult to judge Bryce because of all the other problems with the team and coaching. Maybe go watch some all 22 film and give me something beside what you "see" of a guy you didn't like before he ever took a snap.

Because at the time we played lesser teams we played much worse than we are currently. As we have improved so has the level of teams we have faced. The last two weeks we've played two of the top teams in the NFL.

We all get it man. You don't like Bryce and will take any chance to dog him. You've got some kernels of accuracy but all your comments are extremely biased or not taking what's is actually happening on the field or the situations into consideration. Huddle is not short on "ball not hit receiver in hand, bryce suck" level of football intelligence and this comment isn't meant to be directly a shot at you.