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The collective team except for Dave and Nicole are thinking… can we just get this kid the he** off of our team so we can get back to playing football again.

Bryce may have the weakest arm I’ve ever seen in a modern day NFL qb. It is his biggest flaw and the reason why the playbook is so limited. Nobody trusts him to throw in to the middle of the field. His sideline passes take forever to get there and feel like a pick 6 in the making. Somebody, anybody, tell me what sort of ‘creative’ solution exists for someone with these deficiencies. Hitting a TE in the middle of the field for 17 yards on critical 3rd down will never happen with him. Go routes float. He has no zip at all. Im trying to figure out what sort of ‘creativity’ and ‘talent’, specifically, will make this work. What throw of his would you be 100% confident in? Everyone is saying talent. Talent. I want to know what throw this dude can make, that isn’t a complete pucker factor. I don’t know one. They all feel like a pick waiting to happen because NFL corners eat him alive.

*long post* We traded the 2 best players and this year’s first for this. You could literally take any practice squad qb from any team in the and get the same results as we are seeing now. I swear to God the hit job on the Panthers 100% has to be purposeful. Decline 2 firsts for Burns, see ya later to the only coach that had us winning since God knows when, ship off 2 pro bowlers and this year’s first. All of this over the period of a little more than a year? The formula is so stinking simple. Crash the line with 8 or run an stunt and take away the first shallow read because that’s where he’s looking to go 75% of the time. So now that’s gone. 2nd and 3rd reads are further than he feels comfortable since NFL safeties, CBs and LBs close a lot faster than college. You can forget about ever trying to hit a TE with a 30 yard dart who found the soft spot in the zone. He’s just not capable. So the pressure is now on him because pistol lines him up as a sitting duck from the left side. He usually will escape to the left, praying for a busted coverage or a dump off to Chuba 7 yards behind the LOS where he is gang tackled by 3 defenders. TEs make a living as warriors of the middle of the field. Bryce throwing in to the middle of the field is a recipe for disaster. So take that away. I’m not sure how a stud TE would really help him. He has always found his success off improv… in other words, finding busted coverage. His arm shortcomings eliminate so much from an NFL playbook. Trying to win by following the script will never happen with him. It would take a generational freak like Megatron for him to have reliable production that way. Our receivers outside of Thielen aren’t great, but they’re not terrible either. Chark and Mingo know that almost every ball that comes their way will either be way high or behind them. Rarely they’ll actually get a good one thrown their way, but the play almost never feels like there’s any rhythm or timing. Nothing ever feels on time (WRs have their fair share of blame in this as well). They’re certainly unmotivated and it shows. They feel like they don’t deserve this, and I agree, they don’t. In better circumstances, both are probably 600-800 yard 5-8 td type of dudes. So we gave away our team for a guy that needs an all pro center and LT and receivers who can immediately beat the jam off the line so they can run their shallow route, that takes them no deeper than 15 yards off the LOS, or juke defenders out of their shoes on a comeback after Bryce is running for his life on another busted play. Again, I love the guy and hold no ill will on him, I just want him on someone else’s practice squad. He can not make the throws an NFl qb has to make to win games on script. He relies on busted coverage or high level WR play. Trying to play on script with a full NFl playbook will set a league record for pick 6s. It’s not his game and never has been. Throwing vertically down the middle of the field gives me chest pain. I sure wish Dave and Nicole would have thought about this before they fell in love. Football is a big man’s game. Not a game of Stump the Schwab.

Chark was beating the brakes off of whomever tried to stay with him on go routes all day long. Any NFL quality backup qb and Chark goes for 150 and 2 tds today. The playbook is garbage bc that is what Bryce has shown he is capable of.

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They practice what Bryce’s arm is capable of… so unfortunately not much.

My concern is that we are seeing the plays that we see because they are the only ones that Bryce can actually execute to any sort of proficiency. It’s really worrisome. Almost every successful completion seems to be within 10 yards of the LOS. You tell me how many NFL wr’s can consistently get open playing like this, when the defense knows it every time. He’s got to be an OC’s worst nightmare. Short and small with a well below average arm, but he’s supposed to be really smart.

If he connects 1 out of every 10 chances, there’s no reason at all to defend it.

His deep ball looks like it touched the outer layer of the earth’s atmosphere before it comes down. For an NFl receiver, that’s got to be difficult to track. Pj, Sam, Cam… much lower trajectory. Probably easier to gauge. not defending as an NFL receiver’s job is to catch the ball, but dang Bryce.

Bro just CAN NOT make the throws required to be an nfl qb. It’s just not there…. At all, and everyone knows it, even his biggest fans. Defenses sure as hell know it. Slam everything within 10 yards of the LOS and you win. You see it when he pumps and doesn’t throw. His brain tells him he doesn’t have it I like the guy, but this is embarrassing for him I will 1000% eat my words, proudly and gladly when I’m proven wrong.

Agreed Cam Jordan has always loved playing Carolina.

So EVERYTHING I pointed out in another thread is showing up today. Bryce has no fastball so shotgun is going to continue to fail terribly. If his first look short read is within 15 yards of the LOS and open, he pulls the trigger. Opposing defenses know this, so they take away all 10-15 yard routes in the middle of the field. He drops back 10, slant is 15 yards after the los. It’s not good. He knows from the last pick 6s that anything second read towards the sidelines gets really dicey. TE over the middle from under center won’t work because he can’t see over his line and that’s a guaranteed pick. His go route shots to Chark… Chark has had his guy beat like a drum all day. He’s not going to keep the same effort when he knows Bryce can’t make the throw.

Chark has been beating his guy like a drum on go routes but Bryce does not have that throw, especially when the play breaks down.

Spot on, but I would like to keep the o line intact, for now, and mix back in a little more downhill rushing with Dalton under center…. With some competent coaching. I need to see what we’ve got in the line with a more conventional QB under center. With Bryce it feels like none of them where to go or what to do. The o line is by far the most difficult part of a rebuild. Rarely do premium o line players hit free agency unless there is an injury history with them and a team wants to gamble.

I do believe still that with a proper QB and coaching, this line will be completely fine. This was the best and most cohesive line we’ve had since I can to end remember last season. worst thing would be to dissolve this line.

Stroud knows he has every throw. He never has to quest his ability to get it there without the route being jumped. Bryce only has a few, maybe. he’s just not confident that he can make the throw. Bama open goes in the first round and we won’t have the resources for that in a while. If he needs a first round TE, WR, and LT to feel comfortable .. then we’ve got trouble. I really do like the guy, but he needs serious strength, agility and footwork training. I’m holding out that he can get there if he puts in some serious work to do so.

I think he has a shallow drop back because he knows his arm strength is not adequate for the nfl. If he takes a deep drop, it adds another 8 to 10 yards to his throw. His realistic ‘NFL open’ distance throw is 30 yards, maybe. He just doesn’t have the ability to fire it in when it needs to be. Watch how other NFL QBs play from the shotgun. It’s usually a longer throw that’s fired in there. If you don’t have a fastball, playing out of shotgun in the NFL is going to look exactly like what we’ve got. I think he’s dropping back, and if the first read is any more than 15 yards deep, and he’s 10 yards back from the LOS in shotgun, with his lack of velocity, it’s going to be iffy. NFL corners will close fast. By the time he’s on to his second read, it’s now too late as Icky’s beat like a drum. His best chance is to break contain, run laterally to the LOS and hope his guy has posted up wide open, or running wide open. There are so many drop backs where he looks like he’s about to pull the trigger but doesn’t. He needs to come back next season looking like he found where the weight room is and get serious with his mechanics and realize that it’s just something he’s going to have to do to have any chance in the NFL. get him plugged in with Swole Bones. His confidence will improve as his velocity improves. Right now he has 0 confidence.

The transition to the high flying offense, if that’s what was wanted, should have been gradual. Our line was a top 5 mauling unit, bottom 5 moving unit. They are very talented, just not in this way. The problem is we drafted a QB who can (seemingly) only play the way our line can’t. Or, maybe he can but the controlling powers want it this way. Brady is the only maybe hybrid type player on the line. I can putt with a 9 iron, but I promise you the results after 18 holes would make me look much worse than I really am. Our line sucks, but it’s not because they are bad players. They are probably the most talented line we’ve had in a long time and collectively, we were all high on them at the end of last season. My concern is that after the Bryce experiment is done next year, we will have shipped our (young) linemen off for peanuts, they turn in to pro bowlers, and the league trend changes to an offense that better fits their skill set and we all cry about what could have been yet again. We find a good player for the line like once every 3 years. If we blow this up, it will continue the trend of the team decision making up to this point.

Bryce is a Mingo killer as well. Yikes.

Very good question. Dalton all day annd it’s not even close. that completely changes the dynamic. Scoring Edge goes to 2023 in that case. Dalton opens everything up while Bryce shuts everything down. He’s the biggest offense killer I’ve ever seen. Horn on Thielen, but who can run with Chark? If Dalton had played every game, Mingo would be so much further along. the dink and dunk does not fit his game. … wow, 1 piece completely changes the dynamic.

We were a QB, stud TE, OL depth, Speedster WR and some run stoppers away from being a borderline playoff team. Our line was mauling teams. We averaged over 200 yards a game with a castoff RB who almost was a truck driver. A stud TE, Chark and a serviceable QB and that’s a playoff team. Chark, DJ, stud TE, Foreman and that line? How do you downgrade every position on the team purposely in 1 season? How? How is every single aspect of this team that much worse? And now this. all of a sudden it’s the worst line in the league. A 15 yard play feels like something special and the players look like the walking dead. Brown and Luvu are the only ones preventing every run from going for 6. Just try and imagine a game where they’re both out. Hint: take the over. This team is Chernobyl. A melt down that was completely self induced. If things remained untouched, just left alone , we may not be good, but at least it wouldn’t be completely embarrassing. There are 2, maybe 3 people on our defense responsible for opponents keeping the score under 35. Without Brown, Frankie and Woods… good lord.

Any addition, subtraction or substation is just window dressing unless Tep takes a crash course on NFL proficiency, or allows football people to run the show.

Definitely an ‘it’s a my team, too’ type of move.

Wilks staff and team vs Frank’s staff and team