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I was too late thinking of it to add it to the earlier post about the depth of the OL etc... Pretty sure I heard that Canales tore down the Tampa OL and rebuilt it according to his ... preferences (is that true?), and some players ended up at different positions. Telling me he is not orthodox about some things. https://www.pewterreport.com/dave-canales-bucs-best-o-line/ this is a for instance... probably there is a lot out there that might tell us something. Although he could change his tune as he is not a fully formed entity.

The bottom of the roster gets better when better talent pushes the incumbents down a level. That’s one way. I saw that with Luke’s expression. I’m just gonna hope.

I haven’t watched him but what I saw last year was horrible. Or in OTAs. Whenever I saw him throwing... I tuned right out. But here we go...

I think he should play too, it is a new offense for cryin out loud. Lotta new pieces. What we need to look out for is having people we need, on the field playing against scrubs trying to make the other team. They’ll hurt someone.

What is impact in Legette’s case? Like what are fair expectations? I think Brooks should be expected to produce, acclimate, prove worthy in 2025, if it (even) takes that long. He shouldn’t need an extra year just for missing some camp and early games of a 17 game season. (I hope) He should get at least a half season of ‘I’m back physically’ to work out whatever issues he has to, to trust cuts and contact.

What Canales said about the depth guys going with the ones, that is a big reason the OL is not gelling I would think. Once he has his fill of that they will get to work on the starting unit and hopefully start showing some progress. It seems like another thing where you sacrifice quick results for maybe elevating your depth or seeing if you need to cut bait on a young guy? Seeing who can step up?

See that’s a strawman too though, because that wasn’t the argument. The questioning was over 'is 20 yards downfield a deep ball ?' and someone even went for 15 being deep, I swear they did. And of course people will cite somebody affirming that 20 years is a deep ball - while claiming that I am just biased against Bryce Young (what? lol). It came up when people were looking for Bryce to throw a deep ball. I know Bryce can throw over 20 yards... it isn’t what I was trying to say. People are just grasping at anything to prop him up. When maybe they don’t need to, he may be better this year. He should be. Let him prop himself up. I was just saying there should be a short medium long at the least to better classify the numbers. 20 yard throw should not be valued equally with a 30 yarder, which has less value than a 40 yarder, etc.

I might still be arguing with him.

I must be the wind knocking that ball down.

When you use words together in sequence, they impart meaning. It helps to know the meaning if you are going to use the words. I put your words in my reply so there could be no mistake. Yet.... I know there is a recent practice in society of re-defining stuff to fit into a chosen narrative, and casting ‘legacy’ definitions aside for convenience. You aren’t trying to do that are you?

Iron on iron, yeah that is great. And true. What about the iron on plastic we have all over the place lol

An advantage is intrinsically important, and I just explained why 70 yard boy had the arm advantage. And it equates to effective range, which probably is also of some importance.

I could have accepted a gamble on Bryce in the late first but I agree. I mean I wouldn’t have been happy but that is about as high as I could understand given the risk. He was just off of my board if he was going so high. Flutie was the closest I can think of size wise and he had a real good arm if I recall. I’m not going to look for Flutie highlights. But he was very close to Young in height and weight. My thing is we are in a different era and speed is more a part of the game than ever, and certainly 20 years ago which was about Flutie’s last season when he was pretty much done even as a backup. He was the closest to being something that I can remember. And he sort of was, but that was 25-30 years ago. I’m real skeptical of that translating to modern day.

Saw that. Rams released him too. It was a little confusing, I didn’t push a search. I think he was released by the Rams after 2023 and signed with Cleveland and was released on injury deal and went to the Rams where the same thing happened? I was confused over it but being released so quickly was a red flag to me so I didn't mention him. He is hurt at the moment I think. And he may be a vested vet which keeps some of them, off of the waiver wire they go straight to UFA. Or vet FA, whatever it is. But they can sign wioth whoever and can’t be claimed.

This is what I answered, directly and quoted this in my reply, even ^^^^ And I specified, or ‘enlightened’ as requested. You just mad because people are basically pining over it - because they know we will never see that type of throw as long as Bryce is throwing the passes. See above.

I am hearing rollout scuttlebutt here and there which I expected but don’t like a lot. It is okay if used sparingly but the D can ignore half the field pretty much so you are sort of running into a box canyon.

I looked around at some articles speculating on camp cuts. Thin on C. Like none. These the top bubble type players, cap casualties, etc. There is some edge maybe out there and some OTs out there that can play G too. I don’t get to see Zavala every day and maybe they see something, but from what I have seen he could be cut and replaced by another swing capable guy that could G or T. From what I could find of the waiver rules we are 1st refusal, based on our record and draft order... That stays until Week 3 of the regular season concludes. A day after. Meaning we could claim this guy, claim that guy, never losing 1st choice. I mean, you have to make a roster spot but that’s it. I think. Thank goodness they couldn’t trade that to Chicago too.

Maybe we can snag a backup at cuts, we have the top slot. We couldn’t trade that I guess.

We’ve seen some of them though. Edit: that said, I expect Mike Sanders to have a better year.

Well we are stuck and have to pin hopes on Corbett. If Zavala is playing at Guard what can you run? He is horrible. So the guy behind him on the depth chart steps in? It’s hard to be worse I guess. Otherwise, with the protections you’d have to think the TEs and RBs are drawn up to help on the edge or wherever.. and I really am not seeing it but haven’t seen any good film of padded 11 on 11. Long range twitter vision.

The way I remember it: The Bryce love leading up to the draft was mostly based on big brain smart stuff, filtered or trickled down from the media mostly, and just about every other word was processor lol. We won’t need good WRs because he will make them all better. We can put it all on his plate right away.... all kind of stuff was being said. I have more but have said it a million times. Short version is Against the trade, 100%. But when it was done, looked at QBs. Thought Stroud had the skills and size but was not privy to any S2 or how smart he was so I sort of looked around some more when that came up. Concluded ‘anybody but Bryce’ after even after the Stroud knocks. With Bryce, watching film on him, I could not envision him translating to the speed of NFL defenses. Maybe he will.

I don’t have time to list the analogies that favor bigger and faster and farther, but it’s like: at 30 yards that 70 yard guy is flicking his wrist, which they can do falling backwards, and the guy that can’t do that needs to step into it like he means it. That is advantage to the 70 yard guy, all day.

Looks slow to me.

I view it as collateral damage from the Young pick. Propping him up was job 1. They’re trying to build an offense that 1 of 11 can run, while at the same time hoping it could become a sports car with the right spark plug. If he turns into that, they are happy. If not he isn’t taking the car with him. Swap in a better driver. As far as RB.. it’s the traditional thinking and is justified over and over, it is just solid thinking. You help the QB with the run game, better chance for him to succeed. Then you look at the QB and his game is all inside a radius where a RB talented at receiving could be really helpful. It added value to their eyes. The 3 years down the road short term value thing... if you are secure in your job you don’t worry about it you will figure it out, and if you are insecure in your job you ignore it. They know they are getting 2025, they are shooting for that while doing CYA on helping this QB look like he is something. Or be something. Tightrope.

I'm not sure ‘we’ knew to take Stroud. They Bryce people were insufferable before the draft. S2 baby. Big brain. SEC success guarantees NFL success, on and on....