LinvilleGorge

This. They're Panthers greats, but not HOFers and that's fine. They were great players and can hold their head high regarding their careers. Both had a chance to have HOF careers though. TD had much of his prime robbed by three ACL injuries and Olsen was a late bloomer who had to get out of Chicago to blossom. He was basically a JAG for the first five years of his career before he became the player he was expected to be.

Love the fire but would prefer for our guys not to be lighting each other up during camp. Leave the hit stick for Sundays against other teams.

I know Jimmy Horn got mocked for saying he was going to break the Combine 40 record then showing up and running mid-4.4s but the kid is definitely quick as hell and it clearly shows up in the clips I've seen.

Hoping Demani Richardson keeps looking good. He was a guy I was keeping an eye on in the draft last year in the mid to late rounds and I was borderline shocked when he went undrafted. Not saying I expected then or expect now that he'll be a starter but I think he's a NFL roster caliber player.

How is he stupid for admitting it? It honestly seems like growth to me.

There's always training camp hype trains. Not just here, but everywhere across the league. A guy will have a good day or two and some people will act like that is going to translate into a major role then the guy gets released a couple weeks later and they're shocked and appalled. Happens every year with every team.

My money would be on the kicker.

They use stats to create the basis of their grading system but the stats based on the outcome of the plays (that aggregate into what we football fans call "stats") are not incorporated into the grade. That's the best I can do in terms of explaining this to you. I've tried, every link from PFF has tried, yet you just keep on keeping on. LOL

It's hilarious watching you crash out while being completely wrong. Every link you posted regarding player grades specifically told you that they aren't incorporating stats into these grades, that it's based on their evaluation individual plays. That sent you scouring the internet where you came back with soccer grades as some type of gotcha before you shifted to pass protection grades where you misunderstood that they were using stats to create the basis of their grading system but not in the actual actual creation of the player grades. Pointing that out sent you back to the internet to dig some more where you came back with their "Advanced Coverage Grade" metric which is separate from their player grade.

It's a piece of information. Yeah, I would expect the PFF guys to know how to use the tool they created.

That's separate from their player grades which is what we were talking about. But good lord this is way more important to you than it is to me and I don't really care to keep reading through the links you're desperately digging through to try to find anything to support your dear PFF. At the end of the day, I hope you're right and I hope PFF is the greatest player evaluations tool ever crafted because it sure seems like Tepper is building an analytics team that he could've just gotten with a $120 subscription.

Which they're just using to explain how they developed their grading system. The stats have nothing to do with the way they grade a play which they explain by showing two gifs of two separate plays with different outcomes but the same PFF grade. Are you even reading this stuff before you link it? The statistics or the outcome of a play has nothing to do with a player's PFF grade for that play. They tell you that over and over in every link you post. It's literally an arbitrary system that they came up with to create a framework for grading player performance.

Dude, that's a page talking about their soccer grades.

Oh Jesus, my inlaws live about 10 minutes from Legoland and I'm gonna be down there in a week. Yeah, not looking forward to it but honestly it ain't any colder here at the moment so you're not missing out. Honestly, I just don't pay a whole lot of attention to PFF grades. I just enjoy poking fun at the people who view them as gospel. Hell, at the end of the day, I hope they're right. Because all evidence is that David Tepper is one of those guys.

They don't use stats for their player grades. Period. They straight up tell you that. https://www.pff.com/grades "Their system" was arbitrarily created by them. A PFF grade reflects PFF's opinion of a player's performance based on an evaluation system they constructed. That's it, that's all. It's a piece of information. It's not an end all be all of anything.

Is English your native language?

You might want to re-read that. They're specifically saying they DON'T use stats. They arbitrarily judge each play and then extrapolate that into a grade.

PFF grades aren't stats.

"Hype levels" ultimately lean nothing and I honestly think that a lot of the perceived "hype" is largely confirmation bias because when you look most analysts, most still have us near the bottom the league in terms of overall roster strength and expectations on the field this season.

What? That's not what it is at all. He's talking about the folks trashing Ickey because he's beating him. He's saying that Ickey is great but he's just that dude.

I have some optimism. There's a difference between being somewhat optimistic and wanting to jump head first into an all-PFF analytics department after two decent light contact practices.

Damn go go gadget arms. LOL

Hence why two light contact practices aren't going to get me too excited.

All in after two light contact practices? LOL

I wonder if anyone has told Dave that he could just get a subscription to PFF for $120 a year?