Jon Snow

AR is dogsh*t. Do not waste a pick on some else's trash. Let's draft our own garbage from now on.

Thats going to happen even if he plays bad. Stop worrying about what others say and worry about what the team does. Only they control what happens.

Whatever Young's fate here will be will take place after this season.

We are in the craper and will be until this team has more talent and better coaching. They have a long way to go.

I'm not sure they will start BY again if he's benched. They weren't going to the last time. It may be Hooker time.

We already have a bad vet on the team. They will let Young crash and burn one more game before he's benched again and will ride Andy for as long as they can until the season is over. If Andy goes down then I'm not sure what they do.

Only the Panthers mail it in.

Whatever happens will be done after the season no matter what.

I'm sure Arizona is saying the same thing. I'm feeling another double digit loss coming.

What rock have you been hiding under? We've discussed the defense on here since the game. Hell we've talked about it since Evero got here.

The all-22 is a great help to see who else screwed on a play. It try to see everyone during a play but it's hard to keep up with watching everything live. I saw a lot of bad but I'm sure I missed a lot as well.

Thats why I don't look at numbers. He looked like dog water most of the game. Another one in the bad column. He's going in the wrong direction. Just like the odds say he would.

I had this game penciled in as a loss already. This could be the last game of the Young experiment if he looks like he did last game. Its just a matter of time before it will implode.

It's too easy to get caught up in numbers. Trust your eyes.

...also time for names to be added to the list and names removed.

I never needed stats to tell me how a player is doing. I watch every snap and if they have more bad plays than good plays that is all I need to see. Young has more bad than he has good, by a wide margin. He was going to need to overcome an overwhelming size disadvantage coming into the league. He had to lead a dysfunctional, talentless team and turn it around. He had no chance and somehow the FO overlooked all of that. The fact that the odds of it being remotely successful were 1000:1 is all the reason you need. Tepper made his fortune taking gambles like this but that is in finance, you don't do that in football.

It was under thrown and off target. He was wide open. No excuse for that.

It's got to be.

And new ownership had everything to do with that. They hired people who know what they are doing and let them run the program. Here? Not so much.

It took new ownership to change the culture in that organization. We are not getting that here.

This^^^^

I'm pretty sure they've seen this movie before. They get paid no matter what so they will get over it.

I think it's becoming apparent that there isn't anything in the locker room to lose.

Well your definition of vet is ambiguous. Canales had his chance to pick another guy and chose to stand pat with Andy. That's on him, and Dan to some extent for allowing it or insisting on it, which is worse. Or you can blame Tepper for it all.