MHS831

Enough with the personal criticisms. I don't care, frankly, and if I wanted writing advice from someone, I am pretty sure you would not be contacted. What you seem to not understand is that early I stated that I would refer to Shedeur as $$--to avoid confusion with his dad and to shorten it. It is common when you use an acronym, because the acronym represents something that is going to be repeated.

That is the point. Every day, something new is happening that could impact our trade value. The Sanders situation could impact what we do, and it gets crazier every day.

You have an unusual obsession with me.

Suicide was my first thought. They said he was a top 50 player in the draft at one point.

he was facing charges of negligent homicide and felony hit-and-run.

Read the introduction again. Not since the Carr news and Riddick comments. You have the option of not clicking or commenting.

A lot of this is new information that is recycled old information added to some inferences based on tweets and a reaction to tweets that involve the #2, #3, and #9 picks. Since there are not many new topics on this board, I thought I would start a thread that considers all reasonable possibilities. I think this is a pre-draft soap opera that is worthy of popcorn. 1. First, it began before the college season had ended, when Prime announced that Shedeur Sanders ($$ from now on) should not be drafted by some organizations, basically throwing an Eli/Archie Manning threat out to the world. Then after free agency, he changed his tune, probably when he realized Cam Ward was going #1 and the Browns and Giants liked the two best players in the draft--Carter and Hunter. The Raiders signed Geno, the Jets signed Fields, the Saints re-signed Carr to silly money, and suddenly, the only team without a QB was Pittsburgh--and we all know that is where Rodgers is going to end up unless he decides to spelunk his way into retirement. The Rams are another team that might want Sanders, but they do not pick until the end of the draft. So it seems that the Saints is the only real opportunity to start if you ignore Cleveland (just signed Flacco) and the Giants (who have Russell and Winston now). It is almost like a game of musical chairs, and it seems telling the Browns to FO may have been a mistake. 2. $$ has a mediocre pro day. Some were not impacted; some were underwhelmed. Meanwhile, analysts are moving $$ down their boards, out of the top five, then some moved $$ out of the top 10. It started to look as though Pittsburgh would take him at #21, and possibly the Rams at #26. 3. Then a miracle happened, sorta. Derek Carr announced that he is considering shoulder surgery that would/could impact the 2025 season rather profoundly. Louis Riddick, a close friend of the Sanders family, tweeted the news that the #9 pick just got interesting. Prime responded with an eyeballs emoji. 4. Meanwhile, Prime seems to be in "shut up" mode about it, fearing that his involvement is probably not helping--and it was not. That same close friend, Louis Riddick, said the following on ESPN two days prior to the Carr news breaking. It is safe to assume that he is speaking on behalf of Prime. Note that the screen indicates that Kiper was already projecting $$ to the Saints: 5. It is also noteworthy that the Raiders also brought in $$ for a visit, along with Graham and a few others. However, I think Jeanty is already in silver and black---just due diligence. Meanwhile, Pittsburgh is sitting there waiting for flower-child Rodgers to emerge from his cave of tranquility to let them know what his spirit animal has told him about playing football in 2025. 6. And then there is the minor (probably) issue of Milroe being invited to the Green Room. NFL Network reports that they have actually decreased the number of invites because players sitting in the Green Room is a negative distraction to what they promote as a celebratory event. So the fact that he got an invitation suggests that there is some first round interest in him because they ask GMs who they should invite (confidentially, of course). 7. Prime seems to be using this opportunity to keep his Colorado Buffalo program in the spotlight--and it is smart, especially with today's transfer portal. Has this hurt $$? 8. After showing no interest in Sanders at the combine (did not meet with him), the Steelers suddenly bring him in for a visit. The city of Pittsburgh becomes electric. (This, of course, before the Carr news broke). Tired of waiting on Moondust Rodgers and frustrated with the Watt situation, Pittsburgh is not forgetting about the Jaxxon Dart rumors and focusing on Sanders. In fact, one local writer in the Steel City predicted a blockbuster trade, now that Omar Kahn is the new GM: 9. While some podcast crack and crystal meth users in New Orleans are suggesting that the Saints' solution to this issue is to sign Rodgers (referencing their WRs and suggesting that they draft an OL) on a one-year deal, giving Carr a chance to recover and waiting for the 2026 NFL draft. Good plan, except your cap situation is rivaled only by the National Debt. 10. And let's not forget the Rams. I am sure they would like to bring in their QB of the future for a year to play behind Stafford--and for him at times--so they too are in play. However, I wonder if they are the team that wants to see if they can develop Milroe. It just sounds Ramsy. COMMENTARY: I do not think the Steelers are going to trade the top edge rusher in football and a first and second so they can move from 21 to 5 to overdraft an above average QB. I think they are more likely, however, to trade with the Panthers, sitting right before New Orleans. New Orleans, on the other hand, could trade up if they think the Steelers or Rams might try to trade with Carolina. If Sanders gets past the Jets, I imagine the phones will be active. On the other hand, $$ is a lot of hype. Maybe they know what we do not--that his value is at the end of the round. On the other hand, the Panthers are in a very good spot if Sanders falls to #8.

Good point--they are. However, I need to check--I know this is the case in Dallas--but is the owner usually the first person to speak to the player after he is drafted? I thought it was the GM--then the coach--then the coordinator--then the position coach---but I am not sure there is a norm. I really do not know.

I also should have listed the Burns trade--but Morgan was starting in the hole following the Young trade up, losing Moore and draft picks. He seems to have a plan, and i am not going to blame him for the XL/Brooks picks because I think XL will come around (we knew he was raw) and Brooks was to give Young an extra horse. I like Sanders--so he really tried to boost the offense--and even though it did not work out like he hoped, the good outweighed the bad.

I joke about it, but I have seen some very positive signs. I will list the things that I have noticed that tell me this team is far past the Gettlemen 1 year contracts and the Fittmagic era of missing nearly every pick imaginable and signing terrible free agents. 1. They decided to bench Young after 2 games. (Pretty bold move, but not as bold as the aftermath) 2. They refused to trade or cut Young. (this was against everyone here--even after we'd seen 2 former QBs leave Carolina to find success on other NFC teams.) 3. Morgan used the offseason last year to build an OL and give Bryce some weapons to develop with him via the draft (XL, Brooks, Sanders). Even though his first two draft picks did not pan out as hoped, the OL signings were essential. 4. In the offseason, he let the Safeties go without brining them back. (We cannot see the S position much on TV, but they were not good) 5. In free agency, Morgan signed guys who were entering their primes instead of exiting. 6. The OL coaches are doing a great job developing players. Ekwonu, Mays, Zavala all showed dramatic improvment. 7. Canales is doing a heck of a job with Young, and I think Dalton has been a big part of that. Bringing him back was part of it. 8. THIS IS HUGE: Morgan did not kick the can down the road by extending contracts. He could have created cap room, but he pretty much stayed put. Many of these things have not happened before. Morgan is building the team to win consistently. Hats off. And Tepper is letting him do it. That is the key.

You may not realize that the NASCAR hall of fame is within walking distance. That'll reel her in.

By the hour or night or week?

Look at his size and athleticism. To me, he has TE written all over him. however, there is nothing to suggest that is what Carolina is thinking. From SI Carolina's interest in Smith is a classic example of valuing traits over college production. Smith has some great measurables, coming in at 6-foot-6, 238 pounds and having run a 4.63 forty and posting a 37" vertical and a 122" broad jump at his pro day. (That is nearly Cam Newton size and athleticism) He got injured, but at the beginning of the season, I predicted that he would have a breakout year. Seems as though his processing is suspect. Maybe an UDFA candidate

This is possibly a hidden gem. Sometimes the transferring combines with an injury and a talent slides through the cracks.

And the Saints were reluctant to re-sign Carr--but had few other options. So they re-sign him, give him a back-loaded deal, he might have to have season-ending (2025) shoulder surgery, and there are literally free agents left who are affordable and better than Rattler. In the weakest QB draft in a long while, they are nearly committed to drafting a QB the year before the QB Fairy delivers 10 or more QBs to the league, all of whom are better than $anders. Sanders needs a year to sit and learn behind a veteran, but this will force him to play right away. The Saints have needs on the OL, but Kellen Moore has mentioned offensive skill players. On April 7, a Saints podcaster shared these 2 quotes from Moore, insisting that he revealed their draft plans. To me, it sounds as if he wanted Warren before the Carr announcement: This screams Warren. The podcaster went on to say that they need a big bodied WR, mentioning McMillen. Then he said, "The Saints are going to draft Warren, TMac, or Sanders." You have to consider the fact that the coach is interested in calming players down before the draft. The Saints just gave Juwan Johnson a 3-year, $30m deal. He is trying to prepare Johnson for the Warren pick. This tells me that they were possibly not targeting a QB in round 1---until Carr's announcement. Just interesting stuff--nothing earth shattering here. If their list was down to 3 players, Sanders just went to the top of it.

And there is nothing in free agency except Rodgers--and I thought that first--steal him from the Steelers---but they can't afford him. They are almost FORCED to draft a QB now. It will likely cost them draft capital to move up or they can sit tight and take a chance Sanders falls. I wonder if this is tied to the reason Milroe was invited to the Green Room? They probably have known about Carr's shoulder for a while now.

I think he is one of the few WRs we have talked to--we do not need an elite DL and the edges we like are pretty much in the back of the first or second. I am starting to think we go with Walker, Williams, TMac, or Emmanwori

How is it that everyone knows who the Panthers like 2 weeks before the draft? We have had no visits, etc. with him--where are they getting these vibes?

I would take a third-if we don't, our bluff gets us nothing. So we are not helping a division rival by NOT dealing. Take the third, take Walker or whomever, and laugh when you get to the third round and take their pick

Could be---I am going to say they trade with Cleveland and take Sanders. This draft is shaping up to be a fun one.

sorry Captain--did not see the links--just the thread title. Wonder how this impacts the Panthers at #8? I am guessing the Saints move up---Jags maybe?

You gonna need some help eatin dem burgers?

Saints HAVE few options now. I hate the Saints. Rattler? Nope.

Emmanwori and TMac

What this chart tells me with absolute certainty: In the first round, we like Georgia's #11 or #13 at 8. However, TMac as the lone offensive player could suggest that he is the pick if on the board--if they liked him. the reason I think this? There are edges predicted to go in all other rounds that were met with. The others seem to be preparing for a trade back. I think Morgan wants to do that. We are definitely prioritizing edge over anything else in rounds 1 and 2. The overwhelming number of Edges/OLBs in rounds 1-3 might suggest that they are looking for two edges--or they are going to go after a WR and or S in round 1. For example, if Walker is gone, they might want to take TMac. With only 1 WR and 1 S mentioned in round 1, it makes you wonder if they are not being targeted. At WR, Noel is listed in round 2 and Sanker is the only other S listed, in round 4. Jon Snow's prediction that Emmanwori could be the pick in round 1 is supported by this theory. In a draft so overloaded at DT, the Panthers brought in Nolen (probably wondering if he drops to the second and if the rumors about his character are valid), TJ Sanders from the USC in the second, and Deione Walker, a NT from KY (I heard they liked him at SR Bowl) in the third. In other words, not a lot of DT attention in the first 3 rounds. However, of the 11 players listed as prospects in rounds 2 and 3, five (5) are edge players. We are taking an edge in rounds 1 or 2. I think, since only 1 WR and no safeties are listed after round 1, they will be flexible in round 1. They cannot be flexible with S based on this list, unless Sanker in round 4 is more than a fallback. Here is the dilemma--if they take an edge in round 1--based on this list only--does that force them to take Noel in round 2 and Sanker in round 4? Big dropoffs if you consider that Princely and Swinson and Kinnard will be there in rounds 2 and 3? The lack of focus on WR is alarming. Of course, teams could use visits to analyze character because red flags are flying. Nolen, TMac, have questions. DL seems to pick up steam at pick 140. In fact, South Carolina has 4 DL on this list (most are local visits). What do I get from this? Taking a S in round 1 makes sense and the rest of the draft seems to fall together. Trade back is ideal. In round 1, we seem to be focused on Jalon Walker (LB) and Emmanwori (S). TMac is a real possibility, allowing them to focus on D from here out. Round 2 will be an edge-maybe even if we take Walker. However, if we do take Walker, Round 2 could be Noel (WR). Round 3 I think, based on this, the Panthers will take Knight (LB USC). I think Morgan will love him. Walker (NT, KY) is also on the table. Round 4 If they missed Emmanwori in the first round, Sanker is taken here. I would also expect them to draft Trapoli (OT) a RT with excellent pass blocking skills. Round 5 The Panthers seem to like the depth of this draft at DL enough to focus on DT depth with picks 140 and 146. DTs Cam Jackson and Pegues are listed. Both would be steals here.