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Hard to rank really recent QBs. A lot of the good/great rankings are a little subjective but the main point is that they are GOOD + . All the QBs you're bitching about for the purpose of the argument are in same category. I'd revise it to just bust, avg, good if I could but it won't let me

For the sake of the point of the thread I had to make some fairly hard choices. Almost all of them are debatable to some degree. I'm looking at it from a totality perspective. Whatever his reasons, Wentz could not sustain success

Okay you babies, make Vick good, Eli Rivers Ben Cam Luck Stafford as great, and the recent great qbs as good bc longevity with the exception of Mahomes. The final point still stands bc it's comparing busts vs non busts.

That's my own personal opinion that isn't solely based on super bowls or stats I really should've just had 2 categories of busts or non bust. Because these QB rankings always get people throwing hissy fits Just think of it as bust or not bust.

The key is the difference between busts and non busts. Yes it's debatable whether some QBs are good or great. You could lump them or order them however you want.

This isn't a foolproof list but thought it was interesting. Some conclusions near the bottom. Some players I was kinda torn on how to rate (ex debatable whether some are considered average or busts) 2000 (No QBs) 2001 M. Vick (Great) 2002 David Carr, Joey Harrington (busts) 2003 Carson Palmer (avg) , Byron Leftwich (Bust) 2004 Eli Manning (good) , Philip Rivers (good) , Ben Roethlisberger (good) 2005 Alex Smith (avg) 2006 Vince Young, Matt Lienart, Jay Cutler (all busts) 2007 JaMarcus Russel (bust) 2008 Matt Ryan (good) 2009 Mat Stafford (good), Mark Sanchez (bust) 2010 Sam Bradford (Bust?) 2011 Cam Newton (Good), Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert, Christian Ponder (all busts) 2012 Andrew Luck (good) , RG III (bust), Ryan Tannehill (average) 2013 No QBs 2014 Blake Bortles (Bust) 2015 Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota (busts) 2016 Jared Goff (Good), Carson Wentz (Bust) 2017 Mitch Trubisky (Bust), Pat Mahomes (great), D Watson (great) 2018 Baker Mayfield (bust), Sam Darnold (bust), Josh Allen (great), Josh Rosen (bust) 2019 Kyler Murray (good), D. Jones (avg) 2020 Joe Burrow (great), Tua (good), Herbert (great) 2021 T. Lawrence (great), Z. Wilson (bust), T. Lance (bust), J. Fields (good) 2022 (No QBs) 23 busts 5 average QBs 11 good QBs 7 great QBs Looking in totality the odds of last 20 years of getting at least a good QB at #1 aren't too bad. Generally getting the 2nd highest QB in the draft is bad luck... Maybe this will give you guys some comfort, #1 QB since 2000 has about 12/19 or 63% chance of being average good or great.

Tepper needs to let the coaches and staff decide and stay out of decision making. Seriously.

Avg of 8.3 mil a year, which would make him around 35th highest paid WR somewhere around Juju and Zay Jones type money Most elite WRs making upwards of 20 mil a year. (Not saying Theilen is elite this is just for context). Definitely not ideal and I'm guessing that's why he didn't immediately sign he wanted more $. But in the grand scheme of things it's not bad .

Probably the best comparison for panthers fans anyway. Reliable clutch catcher , good route runner, he's not going to roast anyone for 70 yard tds tho

If he stays healthy he's the most reliable pass catching option on the team by a mile and that's beyond meaningful

What is with these signings the happen late in the day on a weekend? Jesus Theilens will immediately be the most reliable pass catching option on the team. Suprised he got 3 year deal being 33 going into next season Going to be that consistent chain mover and maybe more importantly he can actually teach up TMJ

Good poo

Is this really news? They're the 2 dudes we met with last week

Without a consistently good QB what does a decent to good WR mean in the grand scheme of things? Saw a lot of other NFL fans and talking heads saying we lost the trade badly mostly bemoaning the loss of DJ Steve Smith did a pretty good en depth analysis of DJs stats over the years and basically he isn't anywhere near as dominant as people make him out to be . Near the beginning of the video when he's talking about DJ with the panthers. You'd be suprised how middling/average ish he ranks in a lot of categories. Nobody arguing that DJ isnt GOOD but my problem is all these people making it seem like we gave up a 25 year old Jerry rice. Start around 14 min mark. https://youtu.be/iWWEyZRP_qc

I doubt cooks is super expensive either I'm hoping to see some action from fiterrer this week. Hopkins Juedy Odell Chark Hardman Theilen are the headliners probably. I'd be over the moon if we got any one of these dudes

I'd throw a 3 and a 5 and a player for Hopkins or I'd throw a 2 and a low pick for Judy gladly. Judy is way better than any WR we could get in the draft in R2 and we don't even have a first next year to get one either. Somethings gotta happen this week!! Benjamin Allbright @AllbrightNFL · Follow Source confirms multiple teams have called inquiring about WR Jerry Jeudy. Price tag remains high. Team asking for 1st or high 2nd + player.

Cooks just traded to the Cowgirls for a 5 and a 6. I didn't even know teams made moves on fhe weekend. Fitty man get on this poo!!!

That's almost all of the remaining cap lol. That Shaq rework is going to be critical apparently

Stroud is the obvious safe investment here. At worse imo he's going to be solid QB that you can build around. Young is the risky pick that you could either hit jackpot with or lose all your money. He might end up being a lot better than Stroud but you're going to be risking everything hoping that tiny man isn't going to have a career cut short by injuries. He's 190 ish lb man going to be getting crushed by 250 to 300+ lbs men multiple times a week, I don't like that. The o line won't perfectly protect him on every snap and he won't avoid all hits. I'd be really suprised if the Panthers pick Young looking at how much Reich and McCown seem to like more prototypical QBs.

I feel like Shaq gets extended to ridiculous numbers so often lol. His last year in Carolina will have a 50 mil cap hit at the rate they're going They should've just ate the cap hit and let him walk after next year and stop compounding the problem

Man include that too then.. still have to pay them as well

Yep I made that disclaimer, I'm just thinking about the possibilities anyway

Part of me just wishes we would just eat Shaq Contract and use the remaining money for a decent WR. Because I'd be looking to preserve as much cap for next season as possible. Looks like there's a poo ton of space for 2024 currently. Looks like 117 mil in space and that's without even touching some big inflated numbers like Donte and Motons contracts. I guess signing rookies and other players and extending Shaq will make that number go down a bit but still thats a lot of space.

What do you think are some reasltic numbers we could throw at a WR given what we have left here? The only thing that's throwing me off is this isn't including Shaq Thompson rework idk why. But just looking at things right now we have 17 mil in cap. How much of that goes to draft picks? if it's 10 mil or so we only have 7 mil left without that Shaq rework deal. Shaq making a whopping 24.5 mil against the cap on the last year of this deal this year, I can see anyway for 2023. No idea what to expect of how much what I assume is an extension would clear up this season but it looks like a huge factor here. Maybe we'll have between 10 and 20 mil to work with. Is that enough to give a decent sized contract to a big name or a solid contract otherwise for WR? If so to who?

Yep our cap is probably stretched thin right now especially given all the recent signings, needing to save some for drafted players and I'd assume they're still trying to make a move for a WR