panthers55

I went back over the last 10 drafts and the fourth best qb was available at 9. Now some years that fourth qb was picked at 10. I suspect that Richardson for one should be there.

The fact he hit a game winner against the Saints to win kind of shoots holes in your whole premise.

Gimme Wilkes and bring in Reich as OC if he doesn't get a head coach job. Good defense and offense then.

The question is since this is the season for gaslighting about our intentions to keep other teams from knowing what we are doing, why believe anything the talking heads report. Misinformation is the rule not exception. Let's not go nuts until we see what happens.

For the price Pineiro was a fabulous value and was money with the exception of the Atlanta game. One option is to cut or trade Gonzales and his 2.5 million cap hit leaving 625000 in dead cap for a savings of 1.5 million in cap space. ,We can sign Pineiro on a 2 year 2 million dollar deal and save money in the process.

If we stay where we are we can land a guy like Richardson who is a big time talent. And if these offensive geniuses we are looking at are as good as advertised they should be able to maximize the potential of whoever we pick. We don't have to mortgage the farm for a top 2 pick. There will be good qbs at 9 just like most years.

Given that Burns and Moore were both 1st rounders and you are giving up another first and 2seconds to move up 8 spots you are giving away the farm for a maybe. In fact we have been offered 2 1sts for Burns who is a pro-bowler making him an even trade to move up let alone Moore who had 3 1000 yard seasons. I think there will be great qbs at 9 just like there have been in recent drafts.

It points out the limitations of a point system when evaluating players.

But will they pick a DC with more experience than them and possibly head coach experience (which Rivera thought he should have done) who could take their job like Wilkes did Rhule or pick an up and coming guy with not much experience like you.

If you purely want a defensive guy then go Ryans. I like his aggressive style more than Wilkes zone concept. Yet the Bills run a similar scheme and what takes them over the top is Josh Allen. I think your defense improves when your opponent is playing catch up.

Right and if you start out at 500 after inheriting a depleted team imagine how much better you can do with an offensive guy like Reich as OC and a quality quarterback. I can only imagine that things will trend up.

Then call him a first year coach with this franchise. I don't know anyone still saying he got a fair shot at Arizona or using it as justification for not hiring him this year.

If I do then that is the exception, right. The problem is that history doesn't always predict success especially when you go from the macro to the individual case. The best indicator of his success is to project the amount of improvement he made and assume he will continue to do so. Aren't we assuming that if we bring in a new head coach with no experience that he will improve over time even though we have plenty of examples where that wasn't always the case like Rhule. So using that logic we wouldn't bring in anybody

That Arizona is a terrible franchise and where coaches go to wither away.......

Building the keep pounding physical kick you in the teeth kind of team we used to be.

The force is strong within him.

It isn't football experience as much as transitioning from a player to a coach. It is a big transition that some players do seamlessly while others need time to develop.

All in time. Let him get his feet wet on that side of the ball.

I like the Wilkes head coach / Reich offensive coordinator combo. Bring in Luke as a linebacker coach and let's do it....

No but a real mark of a good coach and leader is when you get the exact same roster or in his case a depleted roster and make them perform at a substsntially higher level and that Wilkes did.

The comparison is where we were to where we ended up which is clearly an improvement. Most new coaches do better their second year. Why do people keep acting like this is Wilkes ceiling instead of his floor? Now he would get to pick his players and his staff. That should make things better not worse. You make it sound reasonable that with all the issues and struggles he inherited that he would have a winning record and beat all the good teams. Get real.

Winning record and playoffs. This was his rookie year. Most new coaches do better year two. So winning record and in this division playoffs are very possible.

Can say the same about Wilkes and his chance for success appears better than 40%.

Just because something is new doesn't mean it will be better in facts the odds say it will be worse. But everyone wants to go with what might be looking at the positives without considering the negatives. Which I find interesting after the last several years of Rhule who was everyone's hot prospect a few years ago. How many more negatives do you want.......

No one is changing anything just putting it in context.